Well, I didn't see the word "figure".

Soundwave should def be in the next TF film. He, like other (Shockwave, Grimlock, Prowl, Wheeljack) are too huge-a characters NOT have in the sequel.

 

I'm not sure about mass shifting. Not sure it'd fit into the fast paced Movieverse we've got going on here. maybe a spy jet?

It isn't just that one panel. it is all the other articles as well, of which there are too many to count. And, the panel I am referring to is the one with Don Murphy, and, this was while they were deciding whether to keep Sounmdwave in the first movie or not. Don advocated him being movied to the second so that he could be done right, and that included mass conversion. Hasbro also insisted that Soundwave have mass conversion.

 

August 19, 2006, Michael Bay— "Frenzy: "had some evolution for us," started off as SOUNDWAVE but had contradictions and changed to stay truer to G1. Smaller, able to infiltrate. Stealth spy, can hide anywhere."

 

From TransformersCon 2006—"Q: What's happening with SOUNDWAVE in the movie?

A: SOUNDWAVE is still in the script but he might be put off until the next movie since currently having him as a CD and not mass-shifting could make it seem really strange for a lot of people.

Also—* SOUNDWAVE will be mentioned in the movie but may not be in the first movie,

and wait till the second (not sure as of yet) He stated "I don't want to rush

and develop SOUNDWAVE's character wrong, SOUNDWAVE is too important to get him

wrong"

 

April 17 2005 Don Murphy from his message board—"In the meeting on Thursday Hasbro all but DEMANDED that SOUNDWAVE mass shift.... the writers seemed okay with it...."

Also—"Hasbro seemed anxious to get SOUNDWAVE into musical form to unleash Ravage even if it made no sense."

 

 

He was talking about FRENZY's character not being right as a CHARACTER for the name Soundwave. See where it says Soundwave's CHARACTER not alt mode?

Still in the script meant Frenzy.

Don Murphy runs fan interfearence anyway. He doesn't decide any of this.

 

You are reading what you WANT to see into ambiguous statements and then stating it back as fact.

Soundwave :07dance

 

 

CJ

 

 

 

:tfdance

I have a theory. He's gonna turn into something GM makes.

All in all, everyone who has posted have valid points, but i still don't understand peoples opinion of a tapedeck Soundwave not being too believable for a film about GIANT ROBOTS FROM SPACE, it is after all a make believe film, why do we have to take things too serious.

It isn't just that one panel. it is all the other articles as well, of which there are too many to count. And, the panel I am referring to is the one with Don Murphy, and, this was while they were deciding whether to keep Sounmdwave in the first movie or not. Don advocated him being movied to the second so that he could be done right, and that included mass conversion. Hasbro also insisted that Soundwave have mass conversion.

 

August 19, 2006, Michael Bay�€†"Frenzy: "had some evolution for us," started off as SOUNDWAVE but had contradictions and changed to stay truer to G1. Smaller, able to infiltrate. Stealth spy, can hide anywhere."

 

From TransformersCon 2006�€â€"Q: What's happening with SOUNDWAVE in the movie?

A: SOUNDWAVE is still in the script but he might be put off until the next movie since currently having him as a CD and not mass-shifting could make it seem really strange for a lot of people.

Also�€â€* SOUNDWAVE will be mentioned in the movie but may not be in the first movie,

and wait till the second (not sure as of yet) He stated "I don't want to rush

and develop SOUNDWAVE's character wrong, SOUNDWAVE is too important to get him

wrong"

 

April 17 2005 Don Murphy from his message board�€â€"In the meeting on Thursday Hasbro all but DEMANDED that SOUNDWAVE mass shift.... the writers seemed okay with it...."

Also�€â€"Hasbro seemed anxious to get SOUNDWAVE into musical form to unleash Ravage even if it made no sense."

 

 

He was talking about FRENZY's character not being right as a CHARACTER for the name Soundwave. See where it says Soundwave's CHARACTER not alt mode?

Still in the script meant Frenzy.

Don Murphy runs fan interfearence anyway. He doesn't decide any of this.

 

You are reading what you WANT to see into ambiguous statements and then stating it back as fact.

Frenzy was originally going to be Soundwave. The whole reason why they changed it was because not having the character mass convert didn't work for Soundwave. People wouldn' ahve accepted him as Soundwave. Soundwave had to be able to mass convert or it wouldn't work. For another character, it works fine, but "Soundwave" has to mass shift. That was why they didn't use the name for the character in the end, and went with Frenzy instead. They specifically stated as much— "A: SOUNDWAVE is still in the script but he might be put off until the next movie since currently having him as a CD and not mass-shifting could make it seem really strange for a lot of people."

 

The reason why they called the character that was going to be Soundwave "Frenzy" instead is because they wanted Soundwave to mass shift, and mass shifting was not being used in the first movie. Tie that into the later statement about them wanting to take the time to get Soundwave's character right, as well as Hasbro's insistance that Soundwave mass convert, and it is clear that they consider Mass conversiuon an integral part of Soundwave's character. It is a part of what makes Soundwave who he is.

All in all, everyone who has posted have valid points, but i still don't understand peoples opinion of a tapedeck Soundwave not being too believable for a film about GIANT ROBOTS FROM SPACE, it is after all a make believe film, why do we have to take things too serious.

It's not entirely about believability (for me). It's about seeing something cool on screen and seeing the characters given due respect. We've seen a portable radio Transformer in live action once now, and it was cool...but making Soundwave the same thing in the sequel makes him "Sloppy Seconds Frenzy" (which should, by the way, be the name of a FAB toy) to the G.A. and he deserves better than that.

 

It's similar to how this first movie handled Ironhide and Ratchet...Hasbro just assigned names to preexisting toys when they developed the line back in the 80s. But it so happened that the two "van" characters developed into very distinct, fan favorite characters. When the filmmakers decided to drop Arcee in favor of Ironhide, they didn't say "they were repaints of each other in G1, let's just recolor this Ratchet model, take the sirens off, and save a few bucks."

 

Instead they built a new robot model for Ironhide from the ground up, with a new Alt. Mode, and gave the two characters not only the respect they deserved to be shown by treating them as true individuals, but gave the audience some visual variety which made the film that much more exciting.

 

I don't see how Soundwave deserves any less.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: To Tramp: It is a fact that before Frenzy was "Soundwave", a script was written where the helicopter was not only Soundwave, but he ejected Ravage instead of Scorpinok to take down some humans. The copter was then changed to Incinerator and the tiny radio character was added to be Soundwave. That character's personality evolved beyond something that resembled Soundwave, and thusly the Soundwave character was put aside to be used later. Incinerator became Blackout, and the rest is history.

Frenzy was originally going to be Soundwave[/b]. The whole reason why they changed it was because not having the character mass convert didn't work for Soundwave. People wouldn' ahve accepted him as Soundwave. Soundwave had to be able to mass convert or it wouldn't work. For another character, it works fine, but "Soundwave" has to mass shift. That was why they didn't use the name for the character in the end, and went with Frenzy instead. They specifically stated as much— "A: SOUNDWAVE is still in the script but he might be put off until the next movie since currently having him as a CD and not mass-shifting could make it seem really strange for a lot of people."

 

The reason why they called the character that was going to be Soundwave "Frenzy" instead is because they wanted Soundwave to mass shift, and mass shifting was not being used in the first movie. Tie that into the later statement about them wanting to take the time to get Soundwave's character right, as well as Hasbro's insistance that Soundwave mass convert, and it is clear that they consider Mass conversiuon an integral part of Soundwave's character. It is a part of what makes Soundwave who he is.

 

 

THe "whole reason they changed it" is because people wouldn't accept him as a whirring clicking comedy character. The quote can be read with out magic shrinky fever too. "since currently having him as a CD and not mass-shifting could make it seem really strange for a lot of people" As in we wanted a cd character, but we don't want mass shifting, but we don't want sound wave to be a mini bot. I read that as proof that there will be no mass shifting sound wave or no, and those two statements you love to tie together, had nothing to do with each other. Now that doesn't mean your interpritation is wrong, but it does mean you should stop saying that the producers are on your side like you have the hotline to god.

 

As for mass shifting being and integral part of his character. ONLY TO YOU.

All in all, everyone who has posted have valid points, but i still don't understand peoples opinion of a tapedeck Soundwave not being too believable for a film about GIANT ROBOTS FROM SPACE, it is after all a make believe film, why do we have to take things too serious.

It's not entirely about believability (for me). It's about seeing something cool on screen and seeing the characters given due respect. We've seen a portable radio Transformer in live action once now, and it was cool...but making Soundwave the same thing in the sequel makes him "Sloppy Seconds Frenzy" (which should, by the way, be the name of a FAB toy) to the G.A. and he deserves better than that.

 

It's similar to how this first movie handled Ironhide and Ratchet...Hasbro just assigned names to preexisting toys when they developed the line back in the 80s. But it so happened that the two "van" characters developed into very distinct, fan favorite characters. When the filmmakers decided to drop Arcee in favor of Ironhide, they didn't say "they were repaints of each other in G1, let's just recolor this Ratchet model, take the sirens off, and save a few bucks."

 

Instead they built a new robot model for Ironhide from the ground up, with a new Alt. Mode, and gave the two characters not only the respect they deserved to be shown by treating them as true individuals, but gave the audience some visual variety which made the film that much more exciting.

 

I don't see how Soundwave deserves any less.

 

 

i see your point, but ironhide and racthet are no where as iconic and recognizable to the G.A. as soundwave is.