My opinions.

 

Don't care if it's in or out of movie. If it is, great. If not, oh well:

Media based alternate mode

Mass Shifting/Magic Shrinky (take your pick for a name, don't care, although there is speculation that it IS supposed to come into play for the sequel since they said they wanted to do Soundwave "right")

 

NEED:

SOUNDWAVE PERIOD! I need my Soundwave fix. As well as Shocky.

being that we've had blackout eject scorpinok, and the barricade figure pretty much ejected Frenzy out of his chest, Soundwave ejecting any of the cassettes out of his chest really wont set him off as special at all, so im wondering if they should leave that out in the movie. i know that it is pretty much a requirement of the character, but since we have already had it, it will likely come across as something people thought was cool in the first movie, so they over do it in the sequel

If it means having Magic Shrinky, I say skip soundwave.

being that we've had blackout eject scorpinok, and the barricade figure pretty much ejected Frenzy out of his chest, Soundwave ejecting any of the cassettes out of his chest really wont set him off as special at all, so im wondering if they should leave that out in the movie. i know that it is pretty much a requirement of the character, but since we have already had it, it will likely come across as something people thought was cool in the first movie, so they over do it in the sequel

 

Interesting thought. But here's the thing. It'd be different than in the first film since Soundwave's partner(s) wouldn't be like Frenzy or Scorponok. Yes, they'd be stored in him, but unlike Scorponok, they're completely sentient, and unlike Frenzy, they require Soundwave to get around.

Yes, they'd be stored in him, but unlike Scorponok, they're completely sentient, and unlike Frenzy, they require Soundwave to get around.

 

 

I saw Scorpy and Frenzy as sentient and able to get around by themselves, and I always saw the tapes the same way. I don't see what you're basing the difference on.

I wanted Blackout to be Soundwave.....Just with a voice and more screen time.

 

I would say that is the best answer.

my personal opinion is... mass shifting is uber ghey full stop it was stupid in G1 and its always been since... scion Xb and stealth fighter FTW KTHX

 

any way at the of the movie hype they stated NO MASS SHIFTING the all spark cube is a mystical space oddity that has been around for all time so it can slide and even the transformers say they have not got a clue how it works

 

any ways armoured car SW looks nice and im sure so long as its not some thing retarded like a cd player i can live with it

 

First off, the "no Mass Shifting was only for the first movie, and only because they felt that it was too much for one movie. It had nothing to do with whether it was a good or bad idea. You can only put so much in one movie without it falling apart. Thus, you have to save some concepts for the sequels.

 

Change when necessary is fine. Change for the sake of change is not. If something is not broke, don't fix it.

 

Well, we've clearly always had different definitions of "broke".

 

I see Mass Shifting as duct tape that's been barely holding Soundwave together since the 80s, and I think the character deserves a proper repair.

 

And, I see it as an integral part of who and what Soundwave is. There is nothing broken about it.

What about if the Insecticons were in the movie? They mass-shifted in the comics! Yet you wouldn't mind if THEY didn't go shrink-a link-a in a movie.

In fact, Soundwave RARELY transformed in the comics if I recall right. Why should the movie bend over backwards to fit what a silly cartoon did because they didn't have creative enough writers?

Actually, The Insecticons never once mass converted. They transformed into gigantic insects, not normal sized ones. On top of that, it isn't essential to their characters or alternate modes. It is to Soundwave.

 

If Soundwave does appear in the sequels, he better be an upgraded form of Blackout. There's just no other way to explain the character(and probably design) similarities since Blackout was originally intended to be Soundwave. As for his alt-mode, I've always wanted a Soundwave that transforms into a fast&furious car with a decked-out sound system, which would be a lot more interesting than a surveillance van. That way, his name is still relevant to his alt-mode. Also, I'm hoping that Ravage is Frenzy's replacement. I think that the designers would get a better robot mode out of a stereo if it was feline. Just look at the stereo Frenzy transformed into. It's practically the basic feline body shape. All you would need is a head, legs, and tail.

 

I wanted Blackout to be Soundwave.....Just with a voice and more screen time.

 

Blackout was never inteded to be Soundwave. His original name was Incinerator. Originally, it was Frenzy that was going to be Soundwave. The intent had always been for Soundwave to be a stereo. However, becasue they didn't want to use mass conversion in the first movie, being a tiny robot just didn't fit Soundwave, so they tried changing the name to Soundbyte, and then finally Frenzy because his persponality and mannerisms better fit that character. They chose instead to save Soundwave for the sequel, and this time with mass conversion.

 

being that we've had blackout eject scorpinok, and the barricade figure pretty much ejected Frenzy out of his chest, Soundwave ejecting any of the cassettes out of his chest really wont set him off as special at all, so im wondering if they should leave that out in the movie. i know that it is pretty much a requirement of the character, but since we have already had it, it will likely come across as something people thought was cool in the first movie, so they over do it in the sequel

Barricade only "ejects" Frenzy in the toy. In the movie, frenzy rides in the passenger side front seat. He doesn't come out of Barricade's chest. When Barricade and Frenzy attack Sam, Frenzy jumps out the passenger side door. He doesn't come out of Barricade's chest. Only the toy does that.

Blackout was never inteded to be Soundwave. His original name was Incinerator. Originally, it was Frenzy that was going to be Soundwave. The intent had always been for Soundwave to be a stereo. However, becasue they didn't want to use mass conversion in the first movie, being a tiny robot just didn't fit Soundwave, so they tried changing the name to Soundbyte, and then finally Frenzy because his persponality and mannerisms better fit that character. They chose instead to save Soundwave for the sequel, and this time with mass conversion.

 

 

Tramp, you really have to stop saying that like it's a fact. I've seen that panel too and I saw NO indication that that was the case at all.

 

You're interpretation is not invalid, but it is just opinion and conjecture. Stating it as fact is misleading to people who come here looking for info.

It isn't just that one panel. it is all the other articles as well, of which there are too many to count. And, the panel I am referring to is the one with Don Murphy, and, this was while they were deciding whether to keep Sounmdwave in the first movie or not. Don advocated him being movied to the second so that he could be done right, and that included mass conversion. Hasbro also insisted that Soundwave have mass conversion.

 

August 19, 2006, Michael Bay— "Frenzy: "had some evolution for us," started off as SOUNDWAVE but had contradictions and changed to stay truer to G1. Smaller, able to infiltrate. Stealth spy, can hide anywhere."

 

From TransformersCon 2006—"Q: What's happening with SOUNDWAVE in the movie?

A: SOUNDWAVE is still in the script but he might be put off until the next movie since currently having him as a CD and not mass-shifting could make it seem really strange for a lot of people.

Also—* SOUNDWAVE will be mentioned in the movie but may not be in the first movie,

and wait till the second (not sure as of yet) He stated "I don't want to rush

and develop SOUNDWAVE's character wrong, SOUNDWAVE is too important to get him

wrong"

 

April 17 2005 Don Murphy from his message board—"In the meeting on Thursday Hasbro all but DEMANDED that SOUNDWAVE mass shift.... the writers seemed okay with it...."

Also—"Hasbro seemed anxious to get SOUNDWAVE into musical form to unleash Ravage even if it made no sense."

being that we've had blackout eject scorpinok, and the barricade figure pretty much ejected Frenzy out of his chest, Soundwave ejecting any of the cassettes out of his chest really wont set him off as special at all, so im wondering if they should leave that out in the movie. i know that it is pretty much a requirement of the character, but since we have already had it, it will likely come across as something people thought was cool in the first movie, so they over do it in the sequel

Barricade only "ejects" Frenzy in the toy. In the movie, frenzy rides in the passenger side front seat. He doesn't come out of Barricade's chest. When Barricade and Frenzy attack Sam, Frenzy jumps out the passenger side door. He doesn't come out of Barricade's chest. Only the toy does that.

 

umm, are you trying to correct me? cause you basically just said the same thing i did, only in a really long winded way...