my personal opinion is... mass shifting is uber ghey full stop it was stupid in G1 and its always been since... scion Xb and stealth fighter FTW KTHX

 

any way at the of the movie hype they stated NO MASS SHIFTING the all spark cube is a mystical space oddity that has been around for all time so it can slide and even the transformers say they have not got a clue how it works

 

any ways armoured car SW looks nice and im sure so long as its not some thing retarded like a cd player i can live with it

 

First off, the "no Mass Shifting was only for the first movie, and only because they felt that it was too much for one movie. It had nothing to do with whether it was a good or bad idea. You can only put so much in one movie without it falling apart. Thus, you have to save some concepts for the sequels.

 

Change when necessary is fine. Change for the sake of change is not. If something is not broke, don't fix it.

 

Well, we've clearly always had different definitions of "broke".

 

I see Mass Shifting as duct tape that's been barely holding Soundwave together since the 80s, and I think the character deserves a proper repair.

 

And, I see it as an integral part of who and what Soundwave is. There is nothing broken about it.

What about if the Insecticons were in the movie? They mass-shifted in the comics! Yet you wouldn't mind if THEY didn't go shrink-a link-a in a movie.

In fact, Soundwave RARELY transformed in the comics if I recall right. Why should the movie bend over backwards to fit what a silly cartoon did because they didn't have creative enough writers?

Actually, The Insecticons never once mass converted. They transformed into gigantic insects, not normal sized ones. On top of that, it isn't essential to their characters or alternate modes. It is to Soundwave.

You obviously never read the marvel comics if you think the Insecticons never once appeared as insect sized bug-bots. Or looked into any other media than the original cartoon.

....so nobody liked my vision of Soundwave being a combiner?

 

I did think that was cool.

Tramp, stop it.

You're tearing this non-existant family apart!

You and that attitude are going to ruin the TFans christmas dinner. Don't make baby Jesus cry, Blot.

Yes killer spider person.

Good soldier.

 

So. How 'bout that Soundwave, huh? I hope he doesn't mass-shift. That'll burst some nice bubbles.

I don't think anyone here is defineing mass shifting as "any size discrepancy between robot mode and altmode". Prime makes room for a cab in which people can sit, I'm not calling that "mass shifting". We're talking about GIANT robot to tiny object. That type of transformation is silly looking and visually jarring. Doubly so in a Live Action media. Look at the retcon excuses for it. Pocket Universes. Nanites. Lets just reverse the polarity of the tachion flow through our latex spock ears and get it over with. No GA is gonna care if you can explain Magic Shrinky or not. Bay doesn't give a rats ass what hasbro wants, if they could somehow prevent him from using Soundwave w/out magic shrinky, I think he would just drop him, like a live grenade.

Iconic wise I think Soundwave being blue is more important than being a tape deck (though not enough to fight over).

I think in the end what would make a character Soundwave is the presence of Ravage and or Lazerbeak. That's the only reason people compare Barricade to SW. Frenzy pops out of his chest. If they didn't subtitle his name as Barricade, I would have assumed that was SW. (I am speaking of a tangent universe in which I ONLY saw the movie, and no other sources.)

 

When do we get to start arguing about th fact that SW will almost certainly have a mouth on his Bug Head?

I don't think anyone here is defineing mass shifting as "any size discrepancy between robot mode and altmode". Prime makes room for a cab in which people can sit, I'm not calling that "mass shifting". We're talking about GIANT robot to tiny object. That type of transformation is silly looking and visually jarring. Doubly so in a Live Action media. Look at the retcon excuses for it. Pocket Universes. Nanites. Lets just reverse the polarity of the tachion flow through our latex spock ears and get it over with. No GA is gonna care if you can explain Magic Shrinky or not. Bay doesn't give a rats ass what hasbro wants, if they could somehow prevent him from using Soundwave w/out magic shrinky, I think he would just drop him, like a live grenade.

Iconic wise I think Soundwave being blue is more important than being a tape deck (though not enough to fight over).

I think in the end what would make a character Soundwave is the presence of Ravage and or Lazerbeak. That's the only reason people compare Barricade to SW. Frenzy pops out of his chest. If they didn't subtitle his name as Barricade, I would have assumed that was SW. (I am speaking of a tangent universe in which I ONLY saw the movie, and no other sources.)

 

When do we get to start arguing about th fact that SW will almost certainly have a mouth on his Bug Head?

Lots of good posts from you lately.

 

 

And as for Soundwave's mouth arguments...

That'll happen once we see designs. The first designs will cause panic and mutinious actions within the fandom again.

you know what i don't want a movie sound wave... mainly down to the fact no one who knows anything about transformers will like it

 

but personally i think this car could pull of sound wave i mean that front is so close to the classic flat chest look