Kill this subforum already.

Kill this subforum already.

Bring it up in ATA.

Kill this subforum already.

Bring it up in ATA.

 

I'm sorry for being a killjoy, but it seems the movie subforum is running out of fuel fast. New toys and movie toy discussion have been posted in the news and toy discussion and what can we say about the movie anymore? I thought this thread would have something fresh, but we're running around in the same circle again. And the 'running in circles'-thing, well, we've got INH for that.

I loved loved loved the movie and I still do. Everything about it. In fact it brought into focus to me what is important as far as transformers goes for me. G1. The only toys in my collection now are g1/g1esque/movie toys, because the movie brought that sense of wonder back that I used to have for transformers.

 

I think a lot of your problem, LM, is that you got caught up in the fighting and nitpicking around here. I refused to discuss this movie except occasionally and it's for that reason, that only am I NOT tired of it, but I plan to take a day off of work upon release day of the DVD and just enjoy it all over again. Because I haven't been involved in analyzing every single facet of the plot since July 2nd

Kill this subforum already.

Bring it up in ATA.

 

I'm sorry for being a killjoy, but it seems the movie subforum is running out of fuel fast. New toys and movie toy discussion have been posted in the news and toy discussion and what can we say about the movie anymore? I thought this thread would have something fresh, but we're running around in the same circle again. And the 'running in circles'-thing, well, we've got INH for that.

Darn interwebs and its inability to convey tone... I really did mean "bring it up in ATA" because I agree with you. But only an admin can change the forum structure.

Seriously, I loved the movie. It was a good experience. Watching it over and over or discussing it repeatedly is probably not suggested.

 

 

Yeah, cuz if you watch it enough to see whats going on or Primus forbid THINK about it, you may notice that it's garabage with good effects.

What I Meant was, Duh! If you watch something over and over and discuss it all day, of course you'll be bored or tired of it. I honestly think a lot of movies should only be watched once.

 

I can see where Pete is coming from on the action tip. Most of the stuff that is rewatchable is the Transformers action and there is hardly any of that in the movie for the first hour. It's all comedy. Once you laugh at something, it's hard to go back and think it's funny twice. Like the Satan's Camaro scene was hilarious but once you see it, meh.

What I Meant was, Duh! If you watch something over and over and discuss it all day, of course you'll be bored or tired of it. I honestly think a lot of movies should only be watched once.

 

I can see where Pete is coming from on the action tip. Most of the stuff that is rewatchable is the Transformers action and there is hardly any of that in the movie for the first hour. It's all comedy. Once you laugh at something, it's hard to go back and think it's funny twice. Like the Satan's Camaro scene was hilarious but once you see it, meh.

 

I guess if you can call a movie good when it is only watchable once or twice and the 1st hour is never going to be enjoyable again. Doesn't work for me though.

Because I haven't been involved in analyzing every single facet of the plot since July 2nd

That is a VERY good point.

It's like why I stopped watching pro wrestling. I found an online forum, and became versed in all the backstage politics, why certain wrestlers won certain matches, why this was done instead of that. It ruined it for me. I used to be able to watch WWE Raw and just enjoy a match, but now I watch it and all I can think about is "who's ass did that guy kiss to win this week?"

It ruined the experience. Of course I knew it was all fake prior to all of this, but I thought that everything that happened was done because the writers were trying to put on the best show possible. Instead, it's nothing but backstage politics.

 

For some I can see how the same sort of thing could ruin the TF movie. Constantly discussing it, going over every single aspect of the film, that can kill the love one has for the film pretty quickly.

Of course there're plot holes and flaws, it's a movie, every movie has those. Being a science-fiction/fantasy flick means the plot holes are going to be a little more numerous.

Just sit back and enjoy the ride. If you liked it, cool, if not that's also cool. Just don't overanalyze the movie to the point that you don't enjoy it (assuming you initially liked it). Doing that will kill the joy of any movie, be it Transformers or Citizen Kane.

Seriously, I loved the movie. It was a good experience. Watching it over and over or discussing it repeatedly is probably not suggested.

 

 

Yeah, cuz if you watch it enough to see whats going on or Primus forbid THINK about it, you may notice that it's garabage with good effects.

What I Meant was, Duh! If you watch something over and over and discuss it all day, of course you'll be bored or tired of it. I honestly think a lot of movies should only be watched once.

 

I can see where Pete is coming from on the action tip. Most of the stuff that is rewatchable is the Transformers action and there is hardly any of that in the movie for the first hour. It's all comedy. Once you laugh at something, it's hard to go back and think it's funny twice. Like the Satan's Camaro scene was hilarious but once you see it, meh.

Well... that's not exactly how I feel about it. I really did laugh at a lot of the jokes in the movie, and I think I'll laugh at the fat dude crashing through the sliding glass door and getting tackled in the swimming pool every time.

 

What can I say, fat dudes falling into pools are funny.

 

What I'm talking about is more an overarching sense of purpose to the movie, like a reason why it matters. If it had been me directing the movie, I would have nixed or moved the Blackout attack scene and started with Sam at his highschool. Just start it with the kid and his car, and let the movie grow from that point. Which is actually what I was led to believe would happen in the movie, given that that was supposed to be the hook that got Spielberg and Bay interested.

 

I guess it's a matter of directorial priorities, and I shouldn't really be surprised that Bay decided to open the movie with a huge set piece that looked super cool but didn't pull the audience in emotionally. He made choices like that throughout the movie, favoring the "wow" factor over substance. The fact that there is any substance at all in the movie is largely due to the heroic efforts of Shia LaBeouf (Megan Fox would have died onscreen without him), and Kevin Dunn & Julie White as his ad-libbing and genuinely charming parents.

 

But that's just how Michael Bay is. He's definitely the perfect director for a big explosion-laden movie about giant alien robots who turn into sexy-looking vehicles. And even though I'd always said "all I want from this movie is giant transforming robots blowing shit up", my mindset changed once I actually saw the movie. Because it was so clear that this was getting major attention from Dreamworks/Paramount, it made me think "isn't it possible to get some of that multi-million-dollar attention diverted toward simply making the movie resonate with the audience?" You don't expect to make emotional connections with B-movies, but with something this high-profile, I think having some expectations in that area isn't unreasonable.

 

I guess I just never really felt invested in what was going on with Sam or Bumblebee, which is odd because they should have been the emotional center of the movie. And it seemed like Bay knew they should have been as well, but just didn't know how to do it. So the scenes where Bumblebee is captured, where he's being tortured (?) by Sector Seven, where he's got his legs blown off and Sam's like "I'm not leaving you"... they're all played for high emotion, but there isn't any to give. It fell flat to me, and I mean upon the first viewing it fell flat to me. I just didn't really care that much. So I refocused my attention on the very very awesome CG work and had a great time watching a bunch of giant robots beat the shit out of each other. It's just a shame that I couldn't have had both; a more capable director (like, say, Spielberg) would have been able to deliver the action as well as the emotion.

You're right. Emotionless. Should I bring up Jazz again now?