either that or they could come while looking for megatron, because according to the prequel the allspark came to earth before humanity and thusly so did megs, and because of him being under the ice they could have missed him completly

 

:schin Innnnnnnteresting.

 

Ah, well. I still prefer military vehicles. That way it needs no (less) explanation. And, as I've said before: Grimlock only, please. The others are just redundant, and there's likely a lot we don't cover with our other Autobots from part one that could get more time in the sequels if they're not overshadowed by new characters who are also so numerous their characters are not fully explored either.

 

For sequels, I wouldn't want to see more than 2 new characters per side, total (i.e. five Autobots now, and seven in the sequel. If four of them are new, and Ironhide and Ratchet go on a vacation and so aren't in the movie, that's fine).

 

Only two for each side? After all of this talk about realism for the Dinobots, you don't even try to be realistic about what Hasbro would want?

For a live action movie I'd like to see them maintain the whole "robots in disguise" them. I'd be really weird seeing unrealistic alt modes in a live action film IMO.

 

Although my first preference would be realistic animals - like Grimlock could be a lion, Snarl as a tiger etc., my second preference would be to see them as Earth vehicles.

 

Now if they were to be Earth vehicles, I actually wouldn't want to see them as military vehicles as I think that the movie Decepticons cover that theme quite well. I think that construction vehicles would be a better option, particularly because we've seen that they've decided not to go down that path with Constructicons like Bonecrusher, who's a military vehicle now. It would make the Dinobots (who could be called "Dynabots") distinct from the other Autobots as well as the Decepticons.

either that or they could come while looking for megatron, because according to the prequel the allspark came to earth before humanity and thusly so did megs, and because of him being under the ice they could have missed him completly

 

:schin Innnnnnnteresting.

 

Ah, well. I still prefer military vehicles. That way it needs no (less) explanation. And, as I've said before: Grimlock only, please. The others are just redundant, and there's likely a lot we don't cover with our other Autobots from part one that could get more time in the sequels if they're not overshadowed by new characters who are also so numerous their characters are not fully explored either.

 

For sequels, I wouldn't want to see more than 2 new characters per side, total (i.e. five Autobots now, and seven in the sequel. If four of them are new, and Ironhide and Ratchet go on a vacation and so aren't in the movie, that's fine).

 

Only two for each side? After all of this talk about realism for the Dinobots, you don't even try to be realistic about what Hasbro would want?

 

Real realism and story realism are two different things.

 

Besides: What Hasbro wants?

 

If Hasbro is happy with the current number of bots in the cast, why would they not be happy with a cast increase by four? Or do you think they want less characters in the movie the second time through?

 

They clearly already know they can pack the shelves full of not-actually-in-the-movie bots and multiple versions of every in-the-movie-bot and rake in a ton, so I think they'll be fine from a business model standpoint.

 

And, while I'm sure Hasbro gets tremendous input into the films, I think it's worth mentioning that the final say of the bot cast, and its size, falls solely on the shoulders of the filmmakers, not Hasbro.

 

And there undeniably comes a point where you cram so many characters in a movie you do them all a disservice by not giving any of them enough screentime, and the filmmakers know this. Keep in mind that the new bots'll still be sharing the stage with at least Shia and that Fox girl, not to mention any other returning human and robot cast, too. My gut instinct (although I admit that's all it is) says anymore than four more robot cast members and there's probably just too many.

 

But, like I said, I'm talking about total numbers. You could intro as many new bots as you like if you remove the ones currently on the roster so that it evens out and still, I believe, manage the screentime properly.

either that or they could come while looking for megatron, because according to the prequel the allspark came to earth before humanity and thusly so did megs, and because of him being under the ice they could have missed him completly

 

:schin Innnnnnnteresting.

 

Ah, well. I still prefer military vehicles. That way it needs no (less) explanation. And, as I've said before: Grimlock only, please. The others are just redundant, and there's likely a lot we don't cover with our other Autobots from part one that could get more time in the sequels if they're not overshadowed by new characters who are also so numerous their characters are not fully explored either.

 

For sequels, I wouldn't want to see more than 2 new characters per side, total (i.e. five Autobots now, and seven in the sequel. If four of them are new, and Ironhide and Ratchet go on a vacation and so aren't in the movie, that's fine).

 

Only two for each side? After all of this talk about realism for the Dinobots, you don't even try to be realistic about what Hasbro would want?

 

Real realism and story realism are two different things.

 

Besides: What Hasbro wants?

 

If Hasbro is happy with the current number of bots in the cast, why would they not be happy with a cast increase by four? Or do you think they want less characters in the movie the second time through?

 

They clearly already know they can pack the shelves full of not-actually-in-the-movie bots and multiple versions of every in-the-movie-bot and rake in a ton, so I think they'll be fine from a business model standpoint.

 

And, while I'm sure Hasbro gets tremendous input into the films, I think it's worth mentioning that the final say of the bot cast, and its size, falls solely on the shoulders of the filmmakers, not Hasbro.

 

And there undeniably comes a point where you cram so many characters in a movie you do them all a disservice by not giving any of them enough screentime, and the filmmakers know this. Keep in mind that the new bots'll still be sharing the stage with at least Shia and that Fox girl, not to mention any other returning human and robot cast, too. My gut instinct (although I admit that's all it is) says anymore than four more robot cast members and there's probably just too many.

 

But, like I said, I'm talking about total numbers. You could intro as many new bots as you like if you remove the ones currently on the roster so that it evens out and still, I believe, manage the screentime properly.

Hobbes I disagree completely about the numbers of new TFs in a sequel and I REALLY disagree with replacing characters that should be there/have not been killed off story-wise. We have 5 Autobots and 8 Decepticons in the first movie. A Total of 13 TFs in this movie. I'm not saying they should bring in 15 new Transformers in the next movie, but I am saying that with the

large number of deaths

in the first movie and the fact that

barely any of the 'Cons survive

you'll need more characters. Plus let's face it, 3-5 Decepticons per movie will likely be fodder, there to be killed off by Prime and the other Autobots. Plus you have to take into account the Autobots that have the potential to be killed off as well. I think bare minimum, they should bring in at least 2-3 new Autobots and 5-7 new Decepticons. I think 7-10 new TFs is very reasonable and should be expected for a sequel. However, let me stress that I disagree with bringing in a horde of fan-favorites just to be slaughtered and I don't wish to see characters not used to some form of decent potential. But honestly, if they bring in Runabout and Runamuck, would you care if they were killed off? Or if they did like the first movie and made up new 'Cons that could just be blown up on the battlefield?

 

Let me also pose this to you...

Would it matter to you/be okay that they bring in Sunstreaker and Sideswipe, giving them story while keeping Ironhide in a decent amount of screentime, particularly if they use the Twins alongside Ironhide as the younger/newer models of Autobot Warriors? Having them (mainly Sunstreaker) feel they are better than Ironhide and providing character conflicts within the Autobot ranks. They could still use each character to good potential while not removing the first movie's characters.

A few points:

 

I love grimlock, but a t-rex is a lousy disguise, make him a heavy tank.

no other dinobots as, like it was said above, they are redundant.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing an Autobot who survives the first movie die in the second, that ads to the realism and gives meaning to the tragedy of war.

 

The Autobots should remain outnumbered by the Decepticons as that makes them underdogs and easier to root for. Plus Decepticon death is cool.

 

If a new Decepticon leader emerges I hope it is Galvatron.

 

...now a few cast members I am hoping come in Transformers two: Ultra Magnus, Prowl, Hot Rod and Grimlock for the 'Bots and The entire constructicon team, Skywarp and Thundercracker for the 'cons.

I haven't voted yet - still unsure about this...

 

1: As Earth vehicles

A definite possibility IMO.

 

2: As robotic/mechanical dinosaurs

Maybe the whole "came here when dino's were about & scanned them" thing may work.

 

3: As robotic/mechanical animals

Dinobots as animals but not dino's? NO!

 

4: As realistic/organic dinosaurs

Maybe... Hard to pull off I'd imagine, a "deluxe" version of option 2.

 

5: As realistic/organic animals

See option 3 - NO!!!

Either go with they came millions of years ago (to fight Shockwave!)... Heres some brainstorming, maybe Shockwave fiddled with

Megatron's navigation systems resullting in him getting lost and trapped under the ice?

 

In that case I think Grimlock is enough. A whole unit of Dinobots might be overkill.

 

That or bring in Grimlock as some kind of really big Cybertronian tank. He could be one of those reinforcements thats only called in when there is no other viable option and disguise isn't particularly important.

 

heh?

That or bring in Grimlock as some kind of really big Cybertronian tank. He could be one of those reinforcements thats only called in when there is no other viable option and disguise isn't particularly important.

Ooh, I like that idea. It would really fit in with Grimlock's character if he was an autobot super soldier that's called in only as a last resort due to how destructive he is. What's more, maybe Grimlock's tank mode could have a frontal claw on it similar to Bonecrusher's but vaguely shaped like a mechanical T-Rex head.

Hobbes I disagree completely about the numbers of new TFs in a sequel and I REALLY disagree with replacing characters that should be there/have not been killed off story-wise. We have 5 Autobots and 8 Decepticons in the first movie. A Total of 13 TFs in this movie. I'm not saying they should bring in 15 new Transformers in the next movie, but I am saying that with the

large number of deaths

in the first movie and the fact that

barely any of the 'Cons survive

you'll need more characters. Plus let's face it, 3-5 Decepticons per movie will likely be fodder, there to be killed off by Prime and the other Autobots. Plus you have to take into account the Autobots that have the potential to be killed off as well. I think bare minimum, they should bring in at least 2-3 new Autobots and 5-7 new Decepticons. I think 7-10 new TFs is very reasonable and should be expected for a sequel. However, let me stress that I disagree with bringing in a horde of fan-favorites just to be slaughtered and I don't wish to see characters not used to some form of decent potential. But honestly, if they bring in Runabout and Runamuck, would you care if they were killed off? Or if they did like the first movie and made up new 'Cons that could just be blown up on the battlefield?

 

But what I'm saying is that the

large number of deaths

in the first movie and the fact that

barely any of the 'Cons survive

means that you

would almost certainly have to bring in more than four new characters...I just don't think you should go above the number 17 or so total, which is four more than we have now. But since so many will be dead (on both sides, presumably), you would absolutely need more than four new characters to fill those roles. When you look at it, that puts your estimates for new Bots (2-3) and Cons (5-7) right in line with what I'm saying. I was using "Ironhide and Ratchet on vacation" to try and avoid this spoiler-tagged mess of an explanation, though.

:thumb

 

Let me also pose this to you...

Would it matter to you/be okay that they bring in Sunstreaker and Sideswipe, giving them story while keeping Ironhide in a decent amount of screentime, particularly if they use the Twins alongside Ironhide as the younger/newer models of Autobot Warriors? Having them (mainly Sunstreaker) feel they are better than Ironhide and providing character conflicts within the Autobot ranks. They could still use each character to good potential while not removing the first movie's characters.

 

Yeah, that'd actually be really cool.

I dont think the Dino Bots should appear at all, I didnt care too much for them in the original G-1 either.