However you're gonna put it, the Dinobots in the movie are going to require some work to put in there and have it make sense. Maybe we're just thinking inside the box too much.

However you're gonna put it, the Dinobots in the movie are going to require some work to put in there and have it make sense. Maybe we're just thinking inside the box too much.

:schin

 

Maybe. May-be.

Rodiums, I don't mean to nitpick, but these are honestly the questions that pop into my head as I read this:

 

Well my idea is that SS crashes back to earth into a cave finds the dino skeletons and thinks they would make good warriors.

 

What do you mean by "finds"? Dinosaur skeletons require work to find, one does not normally stumble upon them. One especially does not stumble onto the complete skeletons of five unique spices of dinosaur all in the same spot.

 

What about them, particularly makes him think they'd be good warriors? He's a giant alien robot, with no respect for Earth or the life on it. And, honestly, put a dinosaur against Starscream and the poor thing wouldn't last two minutes. What about them makes him say, "I gotta have these guys get my back!" instead of "Oh, look, I've sat in the fossilized remains of pathetic, inferior carbon based lifeforms."

 

Also, and the actual movie next week may answer some of this, but: As an alien robot, does he even know what he's looking at when he sees a dinosaur skeleton?

 

Now as has been mentioned the all spark is destroyed so SS being the sole Decepticon on the planet at this time thinks back to when Megatron left to follow the Allspark, and recalls that there was a team of Autobots that left to prevent Megatron from getting his hands on the Allspark. The LSC (Lightning Strike Coalition) so in hopes that they crashed here he scans the planet finds their five protoforms still in transport mode in stasis lock.

 

He knows there are five Autobots on Earth in stasis? Why didn't either team try and get at them during the first movie?

 

Why is he building dinosaurs instead of contacting the other Decepticons?

 

If he can't reach the other 'Cons, or there are no other 'Cons, and he knows there are five soldiers he can make use of, and a planet full of military technology, why is he wasting his time building dinosaurs? Why not just reactivate them and have them scan some military equipment? Or, since in this scenario he's obviously not concerned with hiding these five soldiers, why not allow them to just go into battle in their Cybertronian modes?

 

 

 

Sorry.

 

I really like your ideas about the Dinobot/Autobot conflict, and I am really interested to see your design for Grimlock.

 

But I honestly feel I've tried to approach this from every angle I can, and I just don't see anyway that the Transformers adapting Earth dinosaurs for use as alt. modes comes off as anything other than illogical cartoon storytelling.

 

 

You have good points there Hobbstimus.

 

Now as far as them having Dinosaur based alternate mode, while I'd love it and it would indeed make them true Dinobots, there's nothing holding me back from disliking them if they're not dinosaurs. Besides, I'm sure the writers and people at ILM/Dreamworks will work out some way for them to be in the movie, and they'll probably try all sorts of combinations before releasing what they actually look like. And if they do include Dinobots, they might try to work them in as Dinosaurs, but that's up those who produce said movie.

 

Ok i get what you are saying but what I'm suggesting is one of those kind of movie scenarios that you often see. As for why SS would want them it is due to their size and the fact that humans will definitely fear them.

The exact message Prime sends:

 

 

"I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to any survivors of my kind who may be taking refuge among other systems, other stars. You are not alone. You have a home here, among others of your kind. We are waiting."

 

 

That's from the novel.

 

That can't possibly be the whole message. If it is the whole message, then Prime's a dick. There's no coordinates or anything. "Hey, guys, I got a message from Optimus. He says we got a home...somwhere...stupid Optimus."

 

I'm guessing the important stuff is encoded on the beam Star Trek style and they don't bore the audience with it.

 

As for what half the fandom wants...I'm with Hot Rod. Thank God the movie isn't made by the fans.

 

I agree with you and Hot Rod there.

 

And you may be right about the message. Or they could trace the message's origin to coming from the third planet in the Sol System (ours) and make their way here.

 

The question now remains, how will the new Decepticons come into the picture.

Did Starscream also send some kind of message? Did he intercept Prime's, piggyback another message onto it, and then send it back on it's way? Did he fly off to search for new Decepticons while others have also recieved Prime's message and make their way to Earth and are wait for Starscream to explain what in Primus is going on?

 

 

All questions that need answering. And besides, another thought about the Dinobots. Just like the Star Wars films, I'm sure time passes between this movie and the sequel, which would be convenient cause there's no way that in the matter of a year more Transformers would arrive one Earth having recieved Prime's message and then suddenly decided that they needed to come and settle into their new home. Those types of things take time. By that time though, the Autobots could be known about around the world and it wouldn't matter what they looked like, so if giant dinosaurs walk through downtown NYC, people'd probably realize it's either a movie being filmed with robots, or it's Transformers. But either way, I'll be happy if Grim and his team are in the film.

 

I personally never really liked films that take place almost literally where the one before left off. The notable exception was the Underworld films. I like my movies to have had time pass between them, whether the time is the actual time, like three years, or ficticous (three years between Eps 1 & 2 the movies, but in the SW universe, ten years had passed. And then just months in the SW universe between Eps 2 & 3 even though the movies had a three year span between their releases).

One correction I need to make to your statement here Masterminicon. There were actiually three full years that take place between AotC and RotS, not a few months. The amount of time it took between the two movies to make Episode 3 is also the span of time between the start of the Clone Wars and Anakin Skywalker's fall to the Dark Side in RotS. AotC took place in 22 BBY (Before the Battle of Yavin) while RotS takes place in 19 BBY. Just thought you would like to know.

As promised here is the preliminary sketch of what I think movie Grimlock should look like.

 

Rodimus VTS - as a toy, that would be pretty cool, very cool actually. Well, I don't care for the rolling dino-tank, but I mean the Rex and Robot modes would make a nice toy. I just don't know how well that would translate for the movie design aesthetics. In fact I'm probably pretty sure it would need HEAVY revamping. But as a toy design, that's pretty good man. Congrats.

Rodimus VTS - as a toy, that would be pretty cool, very cool actually. Well, I don't care for the rolling dino-tank, but I mean the Rex and Robot modes would make a nice toy. I just don't know how well that would translate for the movie design aesthetics. In fact I'm probably pretty sure it would need HEAVY revamping. But as a toy design, that's pretty good man. Congrats.

 

Thanks I'm actually thinking about maybe trying to scratch build this to be around the size of movie Prime in bot mode.

Yeah, no offense, it's a great re-imagining of G1 Grimlock...but that's the thing. It's clearly G1 Grimlock.

Yeah, no offense, it's a great re-imagining of G1 Grimlock...but that's the thing. It's clearly G1 Grimlock.

 

Thank you I take no offense in what you said. My design uses the most logical transformation scheme. Truth be known they pobably wouldn't do his transformation like this if they did put the Dinobots in a sequel just because it is an update of G1 but you have to admit "GRIMLOCK BAD ASS!"

 

Anyway I plan on drawing up a transformation scheme too go along with this pic since my transformation for the dino head, and neck aren't anything like G1. I think I'll ink that one since this pic kind of ended up looking like he was almost missing his midsection.

Honest question: How does one determine what the "most logical transformation scheme" is?