It's a more stylized traditional helmet design.

 

Prime still has the Starscream feel to the design

Now your backtracking, you have a serious case of denial and obsession

 

But then again you never had an argument in the first place :P

Oh yes I do.

 

-Pattern clearly described in my sig was disrupted

 

-less popular characters get to keep their traditional designs when SS was shat upon

 

 

THAT is my argument

Oh yes I do.

 

-Pattern clearly described in my sig was disrupted

 

-less popular characters get to keep their traditional designs when SS was shat upon

 

 

THAT is my argument

 

Like I said you have no argument. Look at Red Alert, Scourge, Scorponok, Bumblebee, Jazz, Arcee,

 

As for your sig I could careless, I already showed you. Plus you don't own Starscream. Hasbro and TAKARA do. So it doesn't matter what you have to say, you have no argument anyway

the pattern then still exists and thus cannot be broken

 

Again, actions don't matter at all! You don't fucking break patterns!

 

It's not the smirk itself, it's the symbolism behind it. Be it that you can clearly see he's having fun being a jackass or he's plotting his next scheme to take over as leader. It gave him a lot of character. Without it, he's just another jetformer.

 

Sadistic love of destruction. Examples? Watch Cybertron. He establishes a base in a volcano, harvests omega lock power, grows to the size of unicron, and unleashes all hell on cybertron! You could see the happy expression in his mouth too all the while.

 

Yes I am indeed a true fan. I'm the one defending his core characteristics. Everyone else seems to have no problem letting him die. We'll I'm not weak like that!

 

Waspinator counts for nothing. That was possession, not an actual SS body. If that was to be his look, then yes there would've been a problem.

 

Hasbro and everyone else can call him whatever the fuck they want to, but mark my words I would sooner die than accept that ugly piece of shit as Starscream!

 

PS you can't call older ones Smirkscream because they came first and established the character for what he is. You can only use alternate names if a new design shows up that destroys patterns and/or doesn't properly represent the character. It doesn't work the other way, pal...

 

Oh, and before you point to your sig again, Hellscream is making a more smirky expression than Energon or Cybertron SS in said sig. Course your just going to get all capslock over it...

 

What the fuck are you talking about? His mouth is just hanging wide open. He's not smirking. The face lacks the ability! Cybertron SS has a slight sneer to his mouth if you look.

 

Energon...Well he still had the traditional head. And I saw him smirk in another episode. He wasn't my favorite SS, but he was still SS clear as day

Bad news Atmo ... you just contradicted yourself. Core characteristics and appearance are completely different. Actions are what make core characters. Do we need to post the definition of the word "character" ... It doesn't mention looks, it only talks about actions, behavior, and personality. You've got a problem with movie Starscream, which is your right, but to deny everyone else their right to call you out, well that's just hypocritical. Especially when you have to sink as far into your arguement to start name calling.

 

Good day Mr. Willis!

Appearance comes second UNLESS there's been a pattern that hasn't been broken for over a decade. The pattern says "this is how the character looks. You can't change it."

 

The whole world can call him Starscream for all I care, but you're asking ME to do the same. You want me to accept this and you want me to call him something he clearly isn't.

 

I would sooner hang myself. You're saying I can't dictate what you all think, well you can't do that to ME either!

 

You're even trying to make me think his head was different in Energon when in fact it looks the same as it's always been. Yeah the helmet gets minor detail changes, but no more than the rest of the adaptations!

I'm not saying you have to accept him as Starscream in your personal canon. :P

 

I'm saying no matter what he is Starscream in official canon :P

 

I'm also saying, that you need to stop pushing your obsession on the rest of us and there is no reason for you to get all crazy

 

And that you have a major problem

No, your trying to dictate what is and isnt a true fan. You do not have that power or ability. We are sticking up for our opinions, while saying its ok for you to have yours. You however are telling us we are wrong and being beyond rude at it. This is no more than pure self absorbed narcissism. You say that calming down would make us think your backing down.

 

Get over yourself.

 

Calming down would continue this discussion in a civilized and acceptable manner.

 

I've been cool with you Atmo, can you return it?

Yeah..I guess so. But I don't see Starscream in that thing anywhere. His actions are perfect, but they just come off as insults to me because it's a fat ugly mess performing them...

I'm not liking his hands at all!

 

 

He's pretty decent overall but not really my cup of tea.