That's because Prowl was supposed to have moved on from that. The whole thing with character development is that your character moves from one phase or stage to another, as part of how that character evolves/develops/matures - whatever you want to call it. In the pilot, yes, Prowl was too much of a maverick who failed to understand the value of being a team player, but he learnt a harsh lesson and supposedly moved on from that. If writers wanted to maintain or foster even part of that rogue element within Prowl, then they should have maintained parts of it in Prowl in other episodes.

 

I don't know...I think they have kept up with that side of his character. Who was it that stole the Dinobots and moved them to a secret island? Who told Bulkhead NOT to tell Prime or the other Autobots? None other than Prowl. Man now I gotta go back and watch all my recoreded episodes for more examples :bounce not that I wouldn't mind doing that. :bounce

 

 

...and that is something that I've disliked about the characterisation of Bulkhead since this series started. Although we've seen Bulkhead make improvements in Season 2. He's no Rhodes scholar, but constantly falling about and being a destructive clumsy oaf as much as he used to. And they are showing more of his actual persona being being just a clumsy brute - that was one thing I enjoyed about "Rise of the Constructicons," and even in this episode I liked how Bulkhead felt cut when that Starscream clone couldn't remember his name. :P

 

On that note, I also really hate how the Dinobots are also constantly portrayed as not just being clumsy muscle bound idiots, but as savages too. (-_-)

 

Again I'll have to go back and watch the G1 Dinobot episodes but...my recollection is that they ARE being portrayed exactly as their G1 characters, cartoon wise that is. Although the Other Dinobots arn't talking. That doesn't really bother me as much as the lack of using the Dinobots in more Animated stories.

 

Really? I don't know about you, but when I was a kid, I really didn't like it when the G1 cartoon decided to severely dumb down the Dinobots after Season 2. I always preferred the Dinobots from the G1 comics because they were just better written.

 

I was 11 to 12 when G1 started. I honestly don't remember if I noticed the show being dumbed down or not. I just remember that it was the reason I rushed home after school every day. NOW that I'm a 33 year old adult, yeah it was really dumbed down. Granted I don't really even mind it now either. I still enjoy watching the show for the nostalgia. I will say that as far as comics go, it would be cool to see some of the current comics in a cartoon format. man some of those Spotlight stories are just :awsum

 

Crap...I deleted the wrong quote...as far as multiple personalities, again I like the idea that they are showing these characters flaws as well as their strengths.

 

I didn't see that. I thought it was a reference to the episode being called "A Fistful of Energon," being a reference to Clint Eastwood in "A Fistful of Dollars."

 

One of my favorite Eastwood movies...well I LOVe all those old SpaghettiWestern Eastwood films though. I SO totally saw this! :thumb

 

 

 

Another pretty good episode. Feels like another filler though, mainly there to introduce

Starscream's clone army.

 

 

Prowls armor looked good. And from the looks of how the sidecar is connected I think there aren't that many changes needed to the current mold.

maybebut it was far more iteresting to watch filler than velocity.

 

what I want to know is how screamer foundthe material to build all those clones.

 

It was also good to see the dinobots again. I still think it would benice to have Swoop and Snarl speak as well as Grimlock. can't wait to see Black Friday.

 

Well the interior of the wrecked Decepticon ship looked pretty stripped. Could be that he scavanged the remains of the ship. I don't think that Megs did that as he may not know that it is up there and he had his peons stealing construction materials.

I also like how Prowl gained an ego once he got those upgrades.

 

And there you have it folks. That was the whole point of the episode. Yes, Prowl is the (normally) level headed one, but experiencing the power of Ratchet's EMP generator, Prowl suddenly likes having such power at his disposal. I kind of saw it as an eternal struggle. Part of him wanted to ditch the mods, but the other half tore at him thinking that the mods were the only shot at beating out the Cons. Not to mention that there was a small part of Prowl who thought the mods were cool.

 

Part of the moral was showing what can happen even to level headed beings when confronted with the ability to command power. As far as the BB/Prowl thing, I agree that there could be some lines drawn to connect the 2 in this episode (which in itself is irony, since Prowl always bags BB for "mods" or for being rash). However, Ratchet pointed to the ego trip Prowl had when upgrading, but didn't necessarily tie links directly to BB. Ratchet pointed out how some of Prowl's actions were SIMILAR, but didn't do a flat out comparo.

:pfx power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

can't believe people were critisising the writing whenthey were obviously going for this angle in Prowl's character.

1) Drugs are bad Mmmmkay

 

2) Starscream clones are good Mmmmkay

 

3) awesome episode.

I also like how Prowl gained an ego once he got those upgrades.

 

And there you have it folks. That was the whole point of the episode. Yes, Prowl is the (normally) level headed one, but experiencing the power of Ratchet's EMP generator, Prowl suddenly likes having such power at his disposal. I kind of saw it as an eternal struggle. Part of him wanted to ditch the mods, but the other half tore at him thinking that the mods were the only shot at beating out the Cons. Not to mention that there was a small part of Prowl who thought the mods were cool.

 

Part of the moral was showing what can happen even to level headed beings when confronted with the ability to command power. As far as the BB/Prowl thing, I agree that there could be some lines drawn to connect the 2 in this episode (which in itself is irony, since Prowl always bags BB for "mods" or for being rash). However, Ratchet pointed to the ego trip Prowl had when upgrading, but didn't necessarily tie links directly to BB. Ratchet pointed out how some of Prowl's actions were SIMILAR, but didn't do a flat out comparo.

:pfx power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

can't believe people were critisising the writing whenthey were obviously going for this angle in Prowl's character.

I do believe we are all talking about different perspectives here.

 

At the one hand, most of you accept the story as the standard "All power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely- Lord Acton" story that it is. And you take the plot-device of Ratchet's EMP-weapon as sufficient enough an explanation to suspend your disbelief.

 

And I agree with everything you say. However, for me, and it seems for Goki as well, the excuse provided in the show is NOT sufficient to warrant us to suspend our disbelief. I get the trope, and I understand what the writers were going for with this episode. However, as with my previous example of G1 Optimus Prime, I may understand it, but that doesn't make it right. It's too much of a leap in the character of Prowl to act this way. You all accept the excuse given, and that's fine: I don't, because I feel the character would never act this way, and the excuse provided is in my opinion not enough to change his behaviour so drastically as it did in this episode. The standard plot has been filled in with the characters available for this show, and perhaps Prowl was the best suited comparatively for the role in this plot, and I would indeed say it is high time he had an episode of his own, however I feel the writers shouldn't have written it in the way they did, if at all.

 

Anyhow, I feel this discussion is getting old, so I think it's best we end it, and talk about other aspects of the episode.

On that note, I also really hate how the Dinobots are also constantly portrayed as not just being clumsy muscle bound idiots, but as savages too. (-_-)

 

Well, it makes sense that the Animated Dinobots act like savages, because not only are they not the brightest Energon cubes in the stockpile, they've been left to their own devices on a freakin' island with just animals for company since only about a day after gaining sentience, and every time the Autobots send someone to talk to them, something ends up side-tracking the mission. It reminds me a little bit of Lord of the Flies, actually.

I think people are taking this episode too seriously. But I'll just point out that sometimes with character development (as with real people), you can have characters fall back in to their old harmful habits before they learn their lesson properly.

 

 

That said, any :animated episode with Starscream in it appears to be inherently awesome.

(also, Goki: You should watch yourself with the whole "Teh Dinobots aren't as good as the Marvel Comics Dinobots I read as a kid" stuff. Before you know it, you'll surround yourself with your geewun toys, comics, make videos complaing on YouTube, and start mailing death threats to writers :tftongue )

(also, Goki: You should watch yourself with the whole "Teh Dinobots aren't as good as the Marvel Comics Dinobots I read as a kid" stuff. Before you know it, you'll surround yourself with your geewun toys, comics, make videos complaing on YouTube, and start mailing death threats to writers :tftongue )[/i]

 

:tfgrin

 

To be fair to Goki the writing for the Dinobots in the Marvel comics was awesome. TF:A's lazy portrayal of the Dinos as big stupid dumb savages is the weakest part of the series for me.

 

I loved this episode, bright and breezy with lots of action. Prowl is my favourite character and it was nice to see him as the star. Lockdown reminded me of Deaths Head which is no bad thing and Megatron's totally unnecessary use of the word 'fool' is pure fanwank for me.

Anyhow, I feel this discussion is getting old, so I think it's best we end it, and talk about other aspects of the episode.

 

 

Well I particularly liked Lockdown in this episode. The first time we saw him they really made him out to be just an Evil-body part snatching-bounty hunter. This episode painted him, IMO, in a more positive light. He's not a good guy, but he's not a bad guy either. He's just doing a job and getting it done however he can. But then again isn't that what a basic good bounty hunter type of character supposed to be?

 

And, as posted above, I loved the Eastwood connection. Proof that I think the writers are beginning to see that there is a more sophisticated adult audience watching this show. NO kids are gonna get that reference.

Good episode. A return to a more action oriented ep. after the last two goofier (but entertaining) ones.

 

 

This hits the nail on the head right here. Prowl is such an intelligent and capable combatant that you wonder how he ended up on a space-bridge repair crew. Except when you see his inability to function in a group. That had kind of been glossed over in every episode from the pilot until now.

 

That's because Prowl was supposed to have moved on from that. The whole thing with character development is that your character moves from one phase or stage to another, as part of how that character evolves/develops/matures - whatever you want to call it. In the pilot, yes, Prowl was too much of a maverick who failed to understand the value of being a team player, but he learnt a harsh lesson and supposedly moved on from that. If writers wanted to maintain or foster even part of that rogue element within Prowl, then they should have maintained parts of it in Prowl in other episodes.

 

Actually, there is such a thing as backsliding. That's what we saw here. Prowl had some fancy new gadgets and it went to his head. It's actually a very common flaw. I think that it's more unrealistic to think someone changes and just keeps on that same path without faltering or ever being challenged. This was one of the first times that this particular aspect of his character was challenged. It would be silly to think that he would instantly check himself.

 

Oh, and I think Bumblebee would have been horribly out of his element in trying to take on Starscream by himself - remember what happened to him in "Megatron Rising, pt. 1"? Prowl has a better handle on combat tactics.

I'm hesitant to call out which character was the main lead for this episode. Was it Prowl, or Bumblebee?

 

:wtf You best be joking,

Bee wasn't even IN this episode

:P

Prowl was acting just like his yellow compadre the entire time, for example the know-it-all attitude, the 'fake-static' (I laughed my ass off when Ratchet said exactly what was on my mind), the teasing and banter during the fight-scenes, all these things are more Bumblebee than Prowl.

I think he just wanted the job done and was trying to prove himself. He got cocky with the upgrades. This lesson won't sh*t next year when Prime can suddenly combine with his trailer.