Simply put, you can't take everything you saw animated on the G1 show as cannon.

 

So you're saying that WheelJack is not dead? That Afterburner, he couldn't come out of the shadows to help save Optimus Primes life. No more Dinobots for him!

No, you have to use common sense. The scene you're referring to shows Wheeljack dead. All following G1 animated material confirms this. He's never shown to be alive afterwards. The intention was to kill Wheeljack, and we know this because his character is treated as dead following that one scene.

The existence of Cyclonus' Armada, however is a very different situation. The existence of the Armada, like Wheeljack's death, is shown in one scene. Unlike Wheeljack's death, however, the existence of the Armada is never confirmed afterwards. The Armada is shown once, then never again. Therefore that becomes an animation error, whereas Wheeljack's death (which was confirmed in all following animated material) was confirmed.

Factor in reports that the concept of Cyclonus' Armada was a concept dropped by the time the final script was written, and its inclusion in the movie's final cut was most likely due to an oversight when the script was rewritten, and we end up with one conclusion; That Cyclonus' Armada was never meant to have existed in the final G1 Animated continuity, and that the inclusion of the phrase "....and his Armada" as well as a second Cyclonus were production and animation errors. G1 had a lot of those, and you can't assume them to be cannon.

As for what counts as a production or animation error, I've outlined that above. It's something that's spoken or shown for one scene, then never mentioned or shown again.

 

Of course you could have figured all of that yourself, but why let common sense get in the way of a nice zing?

 

it was a sarcastic joke.

Who really knows? I mean, if I wasn't so lazy tonight I'd do a screen capture on Season 3 showing the Insections still kicking around so...

To add to the confusion, the post movie episode 'Starscream's Ghost' shows Octane in the Decipticon crypt and he is standing in front of Thundercracker's dead body. Those damm writers. Because of them, this issue cannot be explained away simply because if Unicron used Thundercrackers body then why is his body in the crypt? :tfhuh :tfmad

To add to the confusion, the post movie episode 'Starscream's Ghost' shows Octane in the Decipticon crypt and he is standing in front of Thundercracker's dead body. Those damm writers. Because of them, this issue cannot be explained away simply because if Unicron used Thundercrackers body then why is his body in the crypt? :tfhuh :tfmad

 

Wizards did it :tfgrin

You're all such noobs. Everyone knows that Cyclonus was really TIME WARRIOR! :P

Who really knows? I mean, if I wasn't so lazy tonight I'd do a screen capture on Season 3 showing the Insections still kicking around so...

Speaking of kicking around, in Five Faces of Darkness, Pt 2, Kickback is clearly still kickin' it:

Not that it would mean anything. :lol

:pfx :tftongue

 

I can probably solve this riddle as I do with everyother earth shattering dilema. If you think Cyclonus is Bombshell, then lets cut cyclonus in half and all of you for him being bombshell can have his bottom half, and if you think he's skywarp you guys can have his top half. A great king once told me the ones who know the truth won't be able to bear seeing cyclonus cut in half.

 

All kidding aside I'd like to believe he's skywarp, only because the insecticons suck, and are stupid, and cyclonus rocks the kasbah!! :ohyeah

You can't tell me web world wasn't an awesome cyclonus episode, when he's signing those bureucratic papers for Galvatrons acceptance into the "loony bin"? Say what you will about Gen 1. It was pretty funny. But yes the writers of the eighties thought " they're only kids, we can feed them all the dreck we want and they'll never catch wise" We all know thats bullshizzle! What else we're we going to concentrate on . . . The pathagorian theorum?

You're all such noobs. Everyone knows that Cyclonus was really TIME WARRIOR! :P

 

yur such a poseur goki, always trumpeting time warrior yet you still lack one

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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now, on topic, i got an idea, how about cyclonus is.... wait for it... CYCLONUS!!!

 

honestly, there is no way of knowing who cyclonus is due to the various animation and continuity errors that wrought g1

Bombshell is Cyclonus, thundercracker or skywarp became Armada.

 

Skywarp became Scourge!

 

Argggh! answered and meaningless question..... such not a gen1 fanboy! :tdown :redface

I Kinda agree with the whole aniamtion can't be trusted thing. Things to remember - three different animation teams worked on the movie. We see countless animation mistakes thoughout all of G1- bots not really dead, sideswipe hanging out with Megatron, mutiple Starscreams.

 

Heck there are huge lists online that list all of the animation mistakes found in the movie by itself.

 

So I submit to you that Skywarp was probably intened to become Cyclones, and Thundercracker was intened to become Scourge.