The Matrix is probably the one example of crappy sequels ruining the original movie for me. But I still love Jurassic Park, Spider-Man 1 and 2, X-Men 1 and 2, and the first two Karate Kid movies.

 

I'm not really worried about the Transformers sequel at all, and think it absolutely needs to exist.

I'd say: Yes.

 

 

especially considering the public's response to it (looks at box office)

:pfx

 

I don't think you have to worry about the sequel turning out to be a piece of crap. As long as they have more screen time for big transforming robots, the sequel will probably do much better then the first.

Yes, this movie needs a sequel. Why? Because this first movie was an experiment. No one knew if it would work, or if people would take to it. Its budget was only 150 million, look at the CG in the movie and think about that for a second. A movie with probably the best CG ever cost less than half of what Spider-man 3 did. Because of that, they had to economize the robot screentime.

 

Now that Transformers is a massive success, the studio is literally going to throw money at the sequel. You can bet they'll have twice as much to work with, which means twice as much robot carnage. Think about the difference between the movie Alien and its sequel Aliens and you'll get the idea.

 

Transformers needs a sequel because the first movie was just testing the waters. The second movie is where the full potential of the franchise will be realized.

 

Agreed.

Every movie should be able to stand on its own IMO. That's no reason to avoid a sequel.

 

However, there shouldn't be any talk of a sequel without first coming up with a compelling story hook that would make a sequel not just profitable, but worthwhile. And I think that is actually going to be pretty difficult.

The worst thing a sequel could do is take the Mortal Kombat 2 route and introduce about 50 new characters with about 2mins of screen time each.

Things that need to be used in the sequel:

More characterization of the robots

Bumblebee speaking more

The Allspark shard used in some capacity

More robots (Dinobots, Insecticons, Soundwave and the Cassettes (not as that form though), Constructicons, whatever).

Think about this seriously for a sec: the knee-jerk reaction is, "OMG YES we need (insert favorite TF not in the movie here)," but do you think that the movie itself is a good-enough stand-alone product that a sequel is absolutely needed? That is, do they need more movies to flesh out the rest of the conflict/Cybertronian race/etc.--either remaining absolutely awesome ("Spider-Man 2") or totally sucking seafloor ("Tomb Raider 2")--or was this movie all that you needed and a sequel seems unneccesary? And if you want one/don't want one, why?

 

Me, I'm torn. I would love to see Prowl, Shockwave, Grimlock, Soundwave and Wheeljack in movie form and all the carnage that would ensue, but I don't want the sequel to drop the ball or take any of the "awesome" factor away from the first one by retconning anything away.

So essentially you don't want a sequel because you're afraid of it sucking, thus taking the franchise down? To quote Wayne Gretzky, "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

Point is playing it safe and resting on past laurels is just asking for the franchise to be forgotten. They need to take the risk (a very small risk at that), and see what happens. It's better to have tried and failed then never to have tried at all.

 

I see what you're saying, but what I should've said is I'd prefer they do it right with the sequel than to just make something in order to justify the money-making they'll undoubtedly roll into and all that. I'd prefer that they take that risk with more than just "OMG money" in mind--that is, they take the first one as a template and continue to build off of it rather than make a sequel that seems tacked on at the last minute (re: "Pirates 2").

 

The Matrix is probably the one example of crappy sequels ruining the original movie for me. But I still love Jurassic Park, Spider-Man 1 and 2, X-Men 1 and 2, and the first two Karate Kid movies.

 

I'm not really worried about the Transformers sequel at all, and think it absolutely needs to exist.

 

I think the whole Matrix trilogy is what I was thinking of originally when I came up with this. I rewatched the first one a couple nights ago and thought to myself, "Wow, there really was no reason for those sequels if you think about it." And since I was on here, there you go.

 

Every movie should be able to stand on its own IMO. That's no reason to avoid a sequel.

 

However, there shouldn't be any talk of a sequel without first coming up with a compelling story hook that would make a sequel not just profitable, but worthwhile. And I think that is actually going to be pretty difficult.

 

I think you hit on my mindset with this post, but the bolded part is what I feel.

What amuses me the most about looking at the ideas and hopes for the Tranformers sequels: they are really no different from what was posted as ideas and hopes for the first film.

 

The Matrix is probably the one example of crappy sequels ruining the original movie for me.

 

I think the whole Matrix trilogy is what I was thinking of originally when I came up with this. I rewatched the first one a couple nights ago and thought to myself, "Wow, there really was no reason for those sequels if you think about it." And since I was on here, there you go.

 

I actually prefer the Matrix sequels, I find it interesting how the audience was OK being shown "the whole world is a lie" in the first one, but balked at being shown "the whole world is a lie" in the second one. There was a fake script that circulated before the release of Reloaded that was much more the formula summer blockbuster that people wanted - with Neo kicking all kinds of machine ass. I'd think that type of sequel, one that's just "SuperNeo: Adventures in the Matrix", is the one that doesn't add anything to what the first one was trying to accomplish.

how about this. There should be a movie so there can be more toys. Even if the movie was as bad as the first there would be a bunch of new toys and we all know the toys are what is all about right? ..... right guys?......