Don't be sad, maybe you can get Tramp on your side. Make an argument pro mass-shifting, it's like rubbing the genie's lamp.

 

And BB is a better character then Hotshot, Hotshot is a backstabber. Leaving Wheeljack to die and stuff.

so they basically just stuck in a HotShot-esque character anyway and called him Bumblebee.

Exactly, that's why Hollow Prime is incorrect. Hot Shot was in the movie, they just renamed him Bumblebee because Hasbro thought hat would be enough to fool the fanboys. I'm sorry to say that I seem to be the only person who didn't fall for this half-assed bait-and-switch.

Well aren't you just better than everyone Hornet?

 

And - Hot Shot is just Hot Rod + Bumblebee - so it doesn't really matter. Movie Bumblebee was Movie Bumblebee, get over it.

 

But if Movie Bumbles was really meant to be Hot Shot Re-Dux, I'm sure we'd have seen him go through a moment of ignoring orders and human safety to try to fight Bonecrusher or Starscream or someone (as in leaving Sam in a dangerous position to try to drop kick Starscream or some Blot).

I agree with this.

Hotshot in the movie would have been a disaster. Bumblebee has FAR more substance. He was finally portrayed how he should be.

 

That's just it, by saying "He was finally portrayed how he should be" sort of indicates that movie Bumblebee really isn't like G1 Bumblebee - and I doubt the characterization of "movie Bumblebee" would have been any different if he had been called "movie Hot Shot" or "movie Hot Rod."

Hotshot in the movie would have been a disaster. Bumblebee has FAR more substance. He was finally portrayed how he should be.

 

That's just it, by saying "He was finally portrayed how he should be" sort of indicates that movie Bumblebee really isn't like G1 Bumblebee - and I doubt the characterization of "movie Bumblebee" would have been any different if he had been called "movie Hot Shot" or "movie Hot Rod."

I disagree Trench.

I think if he were Hot Shot or Hot Rod, he would have went through a redemption development by ignoring Sam's safety or Prime's orders and made a huge mistake, only to totally redeem himself at the end and regain Sam's trust. I also don't think he would have been "silent" either had he been named that. I think he would have been given a slighty loud and cocky voice and back-talk Prime and/or Jazz directly. JMO.

so they basically just stuck in a HotShot-esque character anyway and called him Bumblebee.

Exactly, that's why Hollow Prime is incorrect. Hot Shot was in the movie, they just renamed him Bumblebee because Hasbro thought hat would be enough to fool the fanboys. I'm sorry to say that I seem to be the only person who didn't fall for this half-assed bait-and-switch.

Well aren't you just better than everyone Hornet?

 

And - Hot Shot is just Hot Rod + Bumblebee - so it doesn't really matter. Movie Bumblebee was Movie Bumblebee, get over it.

 

But if Movie Bumbles was really meant to be Hot Shot Re-Dux, I'm sure we'd have seen him go through a moment of ignoring orders and human safety to try to fight Bonecrusher or Starscream or someone (as in leaving Sam in a dangerous position to try to drop kick Starscream or some Blot).

 

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I think that the Movie characters are their own entities.

But i also think that the movie mythos should draw a little from all TF series.

 

I enjoy chatting about it but i dont understand the extra angst.

 

(of course it is hornet so.... whatever)

Hotshot in the movie would have been a disaster. Bumblebee has FAR more substance. He was finally portrayed how he should be.

 

That's just it, by saying "He was finally portrayed how he should be" sort of indicates that movie Bumblebee really isn't like G1 Bumblebee - and I doubt the characterization of "movie Bumblebee" would have been any different if he had been called "movie Hot Shot" or "movie Hot Rod."

I disagree Trench.

I think if he were Hot Shot or Hot Rod, he would have went through a redemption development by ignoring Sam's safety or Prime's orders and made a huge mistake, only to totally redeem himself at the end and regain Sam's trust. I also don't think he would have been "silent" either had he been named that. I think he would have been given a slighty loud and cocky voice and back-talk Prime and/or Jazz directly. JMO.

Don't forget that I'm making the comparison to Energon Hot Shot, as that's was the verison of Hot Shot who was prevelent at the time of the movie's writing. No redemption necessary with that character - as the traits you're describing had been transferred to Ironhide at that point.

 

I think that the Movie characters are their own entities.

But i also think that the movie mythos should draw a little from all TF series.

(of course it is hornet so.... whatever)

This is basically what I believe, while some like to think of this as G1-redux, other than Prime no-one really has their G1 characterization.

Hot Shot reminded me of Cheetor more then anything else.

 

How they matured later in the series.

 

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The characterization in the movie was a lot closer to Bumblebee than A/E/Cs Hotshot character which is pretty much a revamp of G1s Hot Rod character.

 

Just because Bumblebee wasn't a frickn' bug doesn't make him in any way Hotshot. Just saying.

Barricade might not have been the strongest 'con, but he was intimidating as hell. Any young gun standing up against that without a second thought has some huge steel balls. And If you jump legless on the back of a truck and start shooting a tank with feet three times your size you need another truck to carry your steel balls for you.

 

Well put sir! Wish my balls were as big as BBs!

 

Hotshot in the movie would have been a disaster. Bumblebee has FAR more substance. He was finally portrayed how he should be.

 

That's just it, by saying "He was finally portrayed how he should be" sort of indicates that movie Bumblebee really isn't like G1 Bumblebee - and I doubt the characterization of "movie Bumblebee" would have been any different if he had been called "movie Hot Shot" or "movie Hot Rod."

 

I mean, I feel BB in the movie is more accruate to how I imagined the character would be from his original G1 techspecs, and how he occasionaly appeared in the UK comic. Alot of the time G1 BB wasn't done right. But, of course, it's all just MO and my own perception of who BB is.

Geez, you'd swear G1 Bumblebee wasn't brave or something the way people are saying movie Bumblebee's heroics werent true to character.

 

COURAGE: 10

Triple B owns HS. PERIOD.

 

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