I think I remember seeing a Marvel comic's Ravage on cybertron before the take off and he was a jaguar and talking like a normal bot.

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Madhammer = comic ignorant

 

Did they show the TFs with different alt modes on Cybertron in the comic?

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I'm just as ignorant. I saw that online somewhere.

i have a theory on ravage:

 

everyone remember tftm? well when they were on quintessa they had tons of animal robot things(the underwater scene with fishys and squidy). i highly doubt there were any organic elements in these animals and were purley made by the quintessons because theyre just friggen weirdos. my guess is they saw other worlds, their animals and said hey, lets get some animals on our planet. so they make robot animals to inhabit quintessa. and seeing as how (tv continuity) the quints made the tfs and cybertron supposedly, this silly urge for pets and other things may have rubbed off on the cybertron inhabiting tfs. soo theres ravage. or at least somewhat of an explenation of why theyd have some tfs with animal modes before they came to earth.

 

not to mention they are and intelligent space traveling species. to think theyve never seen an alien form like, i dunno, any kind of animal is kind of ingorant. why wouldnt they try to mimic it? theyve tried weirder things. like lamp post soundwave.

Good Retcon!

 

*high 5s Shajaki*

My point which seems to have been lost is:

Cybertronians seem to be able to scan Anything and adapt as they move to a  new planet/culture.

 

Whether it be a Dinosaur, a Dung-beetle or a Car... So clearly there had to be some reason why BW bots who had accurate scanning ability were able to create Organic altmodes.  The F**'d up Ark bots didnt....

whatever

So G1 Earth COULDNT have been the first organic society they had ever met.... i think maybe they always had the capability...

BM suggests that inherantly they were always meant to be Techoorganic.

and Hell Furman/Marvel suggests that their GOD ("creating life in his likeness") was a man in tights and a cape.....

 

And really - i realize that i was playing the "Retcon game" but only for fun...

which is why we are here right??

 

Hunter

Haha.. if one accepts such a generic broad interpretation of that basic premise, yes...

 

I do agree though, that transformers (along with Lithonians and whoever else there might be) must be modeled on humanoid-formed creatures.  Although whatever they were modeled on could have been models themselves, so it's not necessarily clear that any Cybertronian has ever had contact or memory of such creatures.  But then the show never precluded it either.  The Decepticons all generally exhibited a superiority complex over most organic lifeforms they encountered, although in post-movie G1, Galvatron did have dealings with that pig guy and his sidekick.

 

At the moment, I'm figuring that Laserbeak's cybertronian form was some kinda flying surveillance bot with intelligence relative to ordinary transformers like a highly trainable pet/animal -- i.e. almost a drone but with some level of autonomous sentience.  And though the show never explicitly showed Ravage pre-Earth-adaptation, he could've been something similar except more designed to rove the ground and engage in general combat.

Warwithin Ravage

So he's basically a MUNKY version of Rumble/Frenzy then... (with more pointy bits)

 

 

Okay Hutner, I think I get your point: "How/why did the BW Transformers possess technology to enable them to scan organic life forms in the first place?" Good question. My retconalicious answer would be that they first came into contact with organic life on Earth. Hence their inability to scan organic life forms (and/or their failure to recognize them as "life forms" to begin with). You would think that it would be an even more effective disguise for them to become Pretenders or something. But that didn't happen. So my guess is that their time with the humans/Nebulons gave them the idea to also develop scanning / replication technology for organic forms as well. I don't see any need to push their awareness of organic forms before the beginning of G1.

 

Oh BTW best quote of the thread:

 

i highly doubt there were any organic elements in these animals and were purley made by the quintessons because theyre just friggen weirdos.

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Let's chat.

 

G1 - Originally, Cybertronians never met organic lifeform before. This could be that they didn't have the opportunity to do so or are extremely xenophobic and abhored alien contact. So when the Transformers crash landed on Earth, it was not because it was by choice, but by necessity. Teletran 1 scanned for "native mechanical lifeforms" for the Transformers to take an alt mode from so that they can disguise themselves.

 

Pretenders and Nebulons came later. Pretender technology was designed to infiltrate (in both the NorAm and Japanese versions of the story,) while Nebulons (NorAM) were meant to be additional components that enhanced the Transformer they are "binary bonded" with - Transectors in Japan, however, were supposed to be mindless bodies, while the head/engine/weapon contained the actual personality of the robot.

 

Beast Wars - The Predacon and the Maximals had to adopt organic forms originally to protect themselves from the high Energon level of prehistoric Earth.

 

Beast Machines - a flakey attempt to indoctrinate the masses of New Agism. The whole "Cybertron has an organic core" reeks of pseudo-religious content and a self-righteous world perspective (most likely from the fundamentalist environmentalism mentality of the writers.) Of the three, Beast Machine is the most out of place in terms of continuity, logic, and reasoning. If Cybertron was originally organic and if the "life force" of its organic component is so powerful (as seen in the last episode of Beast Machine,) why was it so easily suppressed and contained? If techno-organisms were superior, why would neither side adopt it to up the ante in the arms race between the two factions? Ever since G1, organic enhancement were a fact and a record, so what happened? This was not explained nor explored in Beast Machine during its run (the dialogue was riddled with semi-religous rants.) This is part of the reason why Beast Machines failed to lived up to its potential.

 

 

Yeah, as you can tell, I am not a Beast Machines fan. Sorry about the rant.

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Let's

 

It's not new agism, they're just lazy... they based the whole "cyb's is organic" from the ending of G1, and turned it into a full season, actually making it BETTER in the process.... kinda like I Can't Believe it's not CRAP! butter

So he's basically a MUNKY version of Rumble/Frenzy then... (with more pointy bits)

 

 

Okay Hutner, I think I get your point: "How/why did the BW Transformers possess technology to enable them to scan organic life forms in the first place?" Good question. My retconalicious answer would be that they first came into contact with organic life on Earth. Hence their inability to scan organic life forms (and/or their failure to recognize them as "life forms" to begin with). You would think that it would be an even more effective disguise for them to become Pretenders or something. But that didn't happen. So my guess is that their time with the humans/Nebulons gave them the idea to also develop scanning / replication technology for organic forms as well. I don't see any need to push their awareness of organic forms before the beginning of G1.

 

Oh BTW best quote of the thread:

 

i highly doubt there were any organic elements in these animals and were purley made by the quintessons because theyre just friggen weirdos.

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I know you don't care fopr JPN contuity, but The Pretenders were revealed to have been hanging out on Earth sence the before the Neolithic Revolution. The Cybertron retender's were responsible for the development of Farming Writing etc. etc. and the Destron Pretender's were responible for Myths about Vampires, Seamonsters, and the Minitaor.

Let's chat.

 

G1 - Originally, Cybertronians never met organic lifeform before. This could be that they didn't have the opportunity to do so or are extremely xenophobic and abhored alien contact. So when the Transformers crash landed on Earth, it was not because it was by choice, but by necessity. Teletran 1 scanned for "native mechanical lifeforms" for the Transformers to take an alt mode from so that they can disguise themselves.

 

Pretenders and Nebulons came later. Pretender technology was designed to infiltrate (in both the NorAm and Japanese versions of the story,) while Nebulons (NorAM) were meant to be additional components that enhanced the Transformer they are "binary bonded" with - Transectors in Japan, however, were supposed to be mindless bodies, while the head/engine/weapon contained the actual personality of the robot.

 

Beast Wars - The Predacon and the Maximals had to adopt organic forms originally to protect themselves from the high Energon level of prehistoric Earth.

 

Beast Machines - a flakey attempt to indoctrinate the masses of New Agism. The whole "Cybertron has an organic core" reeks of pseudo-religious content and a self-righteous world perspective (most likely from the fundamentalist environmentalism mentality of the writers.) Of the three, Beast Machine is the most out of place in terms of continuity, logic, and reasoning. If Cybertron was originally organic and if the "life force" of its organic component is so powerful (as seen in the last episode of Beast Machine,) why was it so easily suppressed and contained? If techno-organisms were superior, why would neither side adopt it to up the ante in the arms race between the two factions? Ever since G1, organic enhancement were a fact and a record, so what happened? This was not explained nor explored in Beast Machine during its run (the dialogue was riddled with semi-religous rants.) This is part of the reason why Beast Machines failed to lived up to its potential.

 

 

Yeah, as you can tell, I am not a Beast Machines fan. Sorry about the rant.

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Let's

 

It's not new agism, they're just lazy... they based the whole "cyb's is organic" from the ending of G1, and turned it into a full season, actually making it BETTER in the process.... kinda like I Can't Believe it's not CRAP! butter

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Are you talking about "Rebirth?" If you are, I don't think "Rebirth" said anything about Cybertron being organic - only that "the second golden age of Cybertron" would be brought about by an organic.

 

Do you guys ever wonder how Spike comes to what he does for a living? I mean, he started out working in some construction site. He never went to college or some post secondary education. So how the heck did he know how to make Fortress Maximus at the end of "Rebirth"?!?! If he's that smart, why is he a mere Earth Ambassador to Cybertron? Hell, maybe I should start working in construction....

 

Re: the G1 Kids - When Spike met Carly, Carly was already graduated from some Tech school (her adeptness with electronics and computer) and Chip was a computer engineering prodigy - which makes you wonder how old the "kids" were in G1.