I think what everyone is trying to say is that: With the movie toys they were able to get away from "stylized" figures and back into real world vehicles, and the line was a huge success, therefore, with figures that will not be supported by media of any form will be designed with realistic vehicles/colors to hope that the general public will enjoy them. A/E/C with it's stylized figures wasn't anywhere near the success that the following (Movie) line was. Classics was a bit of an exception, because it was catered more towards fans directly, and so they will continue that same theory of classics, but will stay in the realm of "real" for the general audience.

One sand colored jet isn't going to put the general public into the mindset of, realistic = worth buying. If that were the case then the whole Animated line is destined to fail, and I don't think Hasbro is expecting that.

 

Animated is based on characters appearing in a cartoon, which is a whole different ballgame, as the toys will have appeal based on other things than looks (personality, etc.). The general population will buy Universe 2.0 on the sole basis of how it looks in the package - and from what I've noticed, for the most part all of the alt mode paint decos seem to be a bit more "real life."

 

 

 

Yes, and the movie toys were based on Transformers that appeared in the movie, thus requiring the toys to look as they did in the movie.

 

Every other Classics toy has the same basic color scheme as it's G1 toy counterpart. Megatron is the only one that did not, and then it was because of the general problems that comes with toy guns. So how does Hasbro making Powerglide gray, with red trim, make any sense?

Because the Classics line came out before the movie line that proved that realistic alt modes=worth buying.

Universe, in contrast, is coming out after the movie, after Hasbro realized that realistically coloured alt modes sell. With the movie line ending they decided to continue with the trend of realistic alt modes, and decided Universe was the line to do it with, at least until the TF2 line.

 

A white/light grey Powerglide with red trim makes sense because it fits within the theme of trying to appeal to people who want realistic looking alt modes. Which the movie line proved existed, even with the toys of characters that didn't appear on screen, like Jetstorm and Wingsabre.

 

Now I know you're going to say "but grey with red trim isn't realistic."

You would be right, to a point. When designing Transformers with realistic paint jobs, balance is key, especially in an homage line like Universe. You have to balance the colour scheme between the realistic aspects and the homage aspects.

Giving a grey A-10 red trim may not be 100% realistic, but it's pretty close. And the red trim does homage Powerglide. Mission accomplished.

 

And again, the majority of people buying these toys have no nostalgia for a second tier G1 character. I'm not sure if kids today even know who Powerglide is. So there's no real need to keep him rust red.

 

 

Who are these "people" you are talking about? Is there some sub-group of collectors that no one knows about, who began collecting with the movie toys and will now only adhere to strict, real world color requirements when it comes to their Transformers?

 

If kids don't know who Powerglide is, then why not just make him red anyway? Is grey plastic really going to be that much a selling point with this toy?

Is grey plastic really going to be that much a selling point with this toy?

No, but is in more in line with the whole "Robots In Disguise" idea rather that a large gaudy red jet.

Is grey plastic really going to be that much a selling point with this toy?

No, but is in more in line with the whole "Robots In Disguise" idea rather that a large gaudy red jet.

 

 

Yeah, and Formula One race cars are frequently seen driving on the street. And I see Concorde jets all of the time. Bright yellow and red Lamborghinis are a common sight. Oh, and please explain the color scheme of Classics Octane?

One sand colored jet isn't going to put the general public into the mindset of, realistic = worth buying. If that were the case then the whole Animated line is destined to fail, and I don't think Hasbro is expecting that.

 

Animated is based on characters appearing in a cartoon, which is a whole different ballgame, as the toys will have appeal based on other things than looks (personality, etc.). The general population will buy Universe 2.0 on the sole basis of how it looks in the package - and from what I've noticed, for the most part all of the alt mode paint decos seem to be a bit more "real life."

 

 

 

Yes, and the movie toys were based on Transformers that appeared in the movie, thus requiring the toys to look as they did in the movie.

 

Every other Classics toy has the same basic color scheme as it's G1 toy counterpart. Megatron is the only one that did not, and then it was because of the general problems that comes with toy guns. So how does Hasbro making Powerglide gray, with red trim, make any sense?

Because the Classics line came out before the movie line that proved that realistic alt modes=worth buying.

Universe, in contrast, is coming out after the movie, after Hasbro realized that realistically coloured alt modes sell. With the movie line ending they decided to continue with the trend of realistic alt modes, and decided Universe was the line to do it with, at least until the TF2 line.

 

A white/light grey Powerglide with red trim makes sense because it fits within the theme of trying to appeal to people who want realistic looking alt modes. Which the movie line proved existed, even with the toys of characters that didn't appear on screen, like Jetstorm and Wingsabre.

 

Now I know you're going to say "but grey with red trim isn't realistic."

You would be right, to a point. When designing Transformers with realistic paint jobs, balance is key, especially in an homage line like Universe. You have to balance the colour scheme between the realistic aspects and the homage aspects.

Giving a grey A-10 red trim may not be 100% realistic, but it's pretty close. And the red trim does homage Powerglide. Mission accomplished.

 

And again, the majority of people buying these toys have no nostalgia for a second tier G1 character. I'm not sure if kids today even know who Powerglide is. So there's no real need to keep him rust red.

 

 

Who are these "people" you are talking about? Is there some sub-group of collectors that no one knows about, who began collecting with the movie toys and will now only adhere to strict, real world color requirements when it comes to their Transformers?

No, it's, 85% of Hasbro's market; the kids. They ate the movie toys up, even the ones with realistic colour schemes that weren't in the movie. So obviously the concept of realistically coloured alt modes has a lot of $$$ potential behind it.

 

Is grey plastic really going to be that much a selling point with this toy?

No, but is in more in line with the whole "Robots In Disguise" idea rather that a large gaudy red jet.

:pfx

 

I just want to point out how odd it is to see some people upset over Powerglide's colour scheme. It's Powerglide for crying out loud. Is he THAT essential a character that Hasbro has to take the time to painstakingly replicate every G1-ish detail?

They're giving us his "heart" in his chest, that's more then enough, IMO.

I have never seen a real live red A-10. I have seen green, grey, blue and sand colored ones.

Of the Lamborghini's that I have seen in real life, there was indeed a Red one. I don't see them very often, but I have seen them, they are real vehicles (even though only a fraction of the population can hope to own one). Either way, cars come in a far greater variety of colors than Planes do. I'm not saying it's perfect, but a Red car is more believable than a big Red plane...?

 

What can I say about that one...Triple Changer'D

For :awsum Powerglide should be Navy Blue.

You may get your Rattler Transformer after all, depending on how they colour Storm Cloud.

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Storm_C...8G1%29#Universe

Yes, and the movie toys were based on Transformers that appeared in the movie, thus requiring the toys to look as they did in the movie.

Because they (the movie characters) were supposed to look like realistic vehicles...I seem to be missing your point.

 

 

This is about color, not form.

Exactly. The color follows the form...it sort of makes sense in every single possible way. Hasbro made G2 bots the way they did because those styles were popular then. Now, they seem to have a focus on realism, for the adults.

 

Of course, we can just barf up the Starscream thread for all of these same arguments.

I'd like to add that Hasbro didn't decide to make him grey just to irritate G1 fans. It's not like it was a cost choice that influenced their decision; therefore, they must have marketing data that supports the grey/red color scheme. Hasbro's in the business of making toys that appeal to the widest segment of the general population, and unfortunately for us, sometimes the choices made are not what appeals most to fans.

 

 

For the record: I would have preferred his G1 color scheme - as I feel that if a character has a name that better suits a personal lubricant, it's only fitting that said character looks like as funky a di1do as possible.