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Regarding Grimlock

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Your description of Grimlock's persona is also out of character for Grimlock and it seems like you've just mished together various aspects of different Dinobots into one character - which reeks of fanboy-fappage (hence Father Time's comment about it being a Mary-Sue).

 

Grimlock isn't a loner, that's Snarl. Grimlock also isn't a berserker, that's Slag. And he certainly isn't a war-criminal, that's Dinobot (as in the Beast Wars Transformer).

 

"By our powers combined, you are Captain Grimlock!" ThePlaneteers.JPG

 

 

This is a new Grimlock. This is Grimlock as I envision him.

My intention wasn't to combine the different qualities of the other Dinobots, but if that's what I did then...cool!

 

Surely that would make him perfectly suited to the role of leader of the Dinobots?

Your description of Grimlock's persona is also out of character for Grimlock and it seems like you've just mished together various aspects of different Dinobots into one character - which reeks of fanboy-fappage (hence Father Time's comment about it being a Mary-Sue).

Not only that, but also:

- Grimlock is a legend

- Grimlock is bad-ass

- Grimlock is brooding

- Grimlock reformats mid-battle to the amazement of all other Autobots

- etc, etc

 

It's not 'catering to the fan', it's "Oh, look how fucking awesome and bad-ass what I wrote is!!!"

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Your description of Grimlock's persona is also out of character for Grimlock and it seems like you've just mished together various aspects of different Dinobots into one character - which reeks of fanboy-fappage (hence Father Time's comment about it being a Mary-Sue).

Not only that, but also:

- Grimlock is a legend

- Grimlock is bad-ass

- Grimlock is brooding

- Grimlock reformats mid-battle to the amazement of all other Autobots

- etc, etc

 

It's not 'catering to the fan', it's "Oh, look how fucking awesome and bad-ass what I wrote is!!!"

 

Is it so wrong to take pride in one's work?

 

I quite enjoyed writing that scene. I'm sorry it did nothing for you.

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Your description of Grimlock's persona is also out of character for Grimlock and it seems like you've just mished together various aspects of different Dinobots into one character - which reeks of fanboy-fappage (hence Father Time's comment about it being a Mary-Sue).

Not only that, but also:

- Grimlock is a legend

- Grimlock is bad-ass

- Grimlock is brooding

- Grimlock reformats mid-battle to the amazement of all other Autobots

- etc, etc

 

It's not 'catering to the fan', it's "Oh, look how fucking awesome and bad-ass what I wrote is!!!"

 

I just checked your profile and noticed that you are a writer yourself. That explains your...uh...enthusiastic critique.

Have you written any Transformers material yourself. And if so, have you taken your writing cues from the comics or the TV show? Or both?

Your description of Grimlock's persona is also out of character for Grimlock and it seems like you've just mished together various aspects of different Dinobots into one character - which reeks of fanboy-fappage (hence Father Time's comment about it being a Mary-Sue).

Not only that, but also:

- Grimlock is a legend

- Grimlock is bad-ass

- Grimlock is brooding

- Grimlock reformats mid-battle to the amazement of all other Autobots

- etc, etc

 

It's not 'catering to the fan', it's "Oh, look how fucking awesome and bad-ass what I wrote is!!!"

 

Is it so wrong to take pride in one's work?

 

I quite enjoyed writing that scene. I'm sorry it did nothing for you.

You should let the work speak for itself.

 

Do you really think it would work, though? Imagine every character doing something on the screen, and all of the other characters dropping everything to "watch in amazement". It would be completely ridiculous. You would have every other scene characters go "ooohhh..". That's not good writing.

 

The way you wrote that piece was you giving your character, the way you envision him, the spotlight. You are making him better than all the others. Hence a Mary-Sue. What you think is 'awesome', that is Grimlock. He's intelligent, strong, 'cool', bad-ass, and-so-on, and all his so-called 'negative' sides are only making him all the more 'awesome'.

Your description of Grimlock's persona is also out of character for Grimlock and it seems like you've just mished together various aspects of different Dinobots into one character - which reeks of fanboy-fappage (hence Father Time's comment about it being a Mary-Sue).

Not only that, but also:

- Grimlock is a legend

- Grimlock is bad-ass

- Grimlock is brooding

- Grimlock reformats mid-battle to the amazement of all other Autobots

- etc, etc

 

It's not 'catering to the fan', it's "Oh, look how fucking awesome and bad-ass what I wrote is!!!"

 

I just checked your profile and noticed that you are a writer yourself. That explains your...uh...enthusiastic critique.

Have you written any Transformers material yourself. And if so, have you taken your writing cues from the comics or the TV show? Or both?

I have, indeed, written Transformers material myself. However, when you interpret 'writing cues' as 'style of writing', I would say Beast Wars, Stargate and such are bigger influences than anything G1. Plot-wise and content-wise, however, it would be an amalgam between elements from the comics and the cartoon, but set within a new universe.

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Your description of Grimlock's persona is also out of character for Grimlock and it seems like you've just mished together various aspects of different Dinobots into one character - which reeks of fanboy-fappage (hence Father Time's comment about it being a Mary-Sue).

Not only that, but also:

- Grimlock is a legend

- Grimlock is bad-ass

- Grimlock is brooding

- Grimlock reformats mid-battle to the amazement of all other Autobots

- etc, etc

 

It's not 'catering to the fan', it's "Oh, look how fucking awesome and bad-ass what I wrote is!!!"

 

Is it so wrong to take pride in one's work?

 

I quite enjoyed writing that scene. I'm sorry it did nothing for you.

You should let the work speak for itself.

 

Do you really think it would work, though? Imagine every character doing something on the screen, and all of the other characters dropping everything to "watch in amazement". It would be completely ridiculous. You would have every other scene characters go "ooohhh..". That's not good writing.

 

The way you wrote that piece was you giving your character, the way you envision him, the spotlight. You are making him better than all the others. Hence a Mary-Sue. What you think is 'awesome', that is Grimlock. He's intelligent, strong, 'cool', bad-ass, and-so-on, and all his so-called 'negative' sides are only making him all the more 'awesome'.

 

I understand.

 

But the point of the piece (if you can call it that) is not to present a fully fleshed-out movie scene. Nor is it an attempt to give professional writers a run for their money. It was written to demonstrate a pseudo-logical explanation for Grimlock's Dinosaur alt-mode. I wrote it the way I would describe it to a fellow Transformer fan in person - with enthusiasm and a blatant disregard for proper punctuation and grammar!

What the other characters are doing in the background is not the concern at this point - that's for the professional script writer to worry about presumably.

 

But as for whether or not I think it would work - "it" being a desperate and last minute mid-battle reformat in an attempt to preserve one's life - then, yes, I think it might.

But as for whether or not I think it would work - "it" being a desperate and last minute mid-battle reformat in an attempt to preserve one's life - then, yes, I think it might.

Oh, I have no issue with that. But if you interpret "it" as "a character better than anyone else", which is the way you are describing Grimlock here, then I would say, as I did, "no". It would not work. Not in a group-based social dynamic. If you would have a story where you have only one main character, who provides for all the action, like in, for example, Die Hard, or Evil Dead, then, yes, it would. However, in Transformers, you have multiple characters, all equals, where even Optimus Prime is but part of a larger group. Inserting a 'perfect' character like your Grimlock in such a story format would then simply not work.

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