To be honest, the movie already does ask a lot as it is insofar that the audience needs to accept that these robots - with all those thousands of complicated robot parts, can transform into vehicles with those robot parts somehow mysteriously vanishing into subspace (because it's not like the inside of Bumblebee is full of robot parts like the toy is).

I don't think that the parts are vanishing into subspace. All matter is made up of atoms with a lot of empty space between them so I think the TF's are folding up their robot parts by compacting the space between atoms. The downside with this method is that they still weigh the same but that's not really noticeable with an alt-mode as big as a car. It's not like it has to be carried around like a stereo.

...and/or a plot hole...I mean why was that concept car driving down the SAME EXACT TUNNEL THAT BB was in! (BB is Bumblebee BTW, not some Blotty Predacon repaint that no one gives an F about...lol.)

You know, in the time it took you to dis out BB, you could've just typed "Bumblebee." Doesn't that defeat the entire purpose of using an abbreviation? (and an ambiguous one at that)

 

Anyway, that's not a plot hole. It's a coincidence, but not a plot hole. A real plot hole would be how when Prime is scanning the truck, the truck has the Autobot insignia hood ornament, yet when Prime first forms into the truck he has NO Autobot insignia on his grill. I think the idea was for the CG animators to put the non-insignia grill onto the truck that drives by, but they put it on the truck that is forming (ie: Optimus Prime) instead! Oops!

 

Lol...just ripping ya.

I just think your joke is kinda lame and played out...sorry. :tftongue

Anyways all abbreviations are ambiguous...BB could be "big butts" or "burly bandits"...

 

It all depends upon the context... so if we're talking about the movie, it's probably Bumblebee, not BB the Predacon bomber (and definitely not Max B the cyborg wolf...)

 

So yeah, maybe the car isn't a real plot hole, but the grill thing really isn't either. I think that should be classified as a technical goof. :tfevil

I don't think that the parts are vanishing into subspace. All matter is made up of atoms with a lot of empty space between them so I think the TF's are folding up their robot parts by compacting the space between atoms. The downside with this method is that they still weigh the same but that's not really noticeable with an alt-mode as big as a car. It's not like it has to be carried around like a stereo.

That sounds like a form of mass-shifting (at an atomic level).

 

So yeah, maybe the car isn't a real plot hole, but the grill thing really isn't either. I think that should be classified as a technical goof.

I disagree. The Sector Seven driver's gun smacking him in the head as Jazz confiscates his gun is a technical goof (much like Star Wars' Stormtrooper smacking his head against the opening door) - but the grill thing is a visual plot error.

 

Why would there be a normal truck driving by with an Autobot insignia hood ornament?? And when Prime first forms into his truck mode, he has no Autobot insignia. But then for the rest of the movie, the Autobot hood ornament is there! Furthermore, the shape of the grills between the two trucks is different - on the bypassing truck it's a narrower grill whereas on "trans-scanning" Prime it's a broader grill. Yet for the rest of the movie we see Prime's truck mode featuring the narrower grill! Buh?! (o_O)

If I drove a truck, I'd put an autobot symbol hood ornament on it. Then I'd ram it straight through that fourth wall. SHAZAM!

Eep!! *ducks under theatre seat* (mm... Transformers 3D fresh...)

I don't think that the parts are vanishing into subspace. All matter is made up of atoms with a lot of empty space between them so I think the TF's are folding up their robot parts by compacting the space between atoms. The downside with this method is that they still weigh the same but that's not really noticeable with an alt-mode as big as a car. It's not like it has to be carried around like a stereo.

That sounds like a form of mass-shifting (at an atomic level).

Not really. Mass-shifting involves the TF storing most of their atoms in subspace in order for them to shrink down and decrease their weight to the same amount as that of the object it transforms into. With atomic compression, they're still made up of the same amount of atoms, they're just compacted together more tightly and their weight remains the same.

that would allow Transformers to change their size, but as you said so yourself, it doesn't allow them to change their mass. :)

 

<--this human is REALLY strong! :D

"Can link up interdimensionally to a black hole and draw antimatter from it for use as a weapon."

If Cybertronian technology can move antimatter "interdimensionally" it does not seem absurd to reason that they can probably move ordinary matter by the same or comparable means.

that would allow Transformers to change their size, but as you said so yourself, it doesn't allow them to change their mass. :)

 

<--this human is REALLY strong! :D

What does that have to do with the movie TF's?

That sounds like a form of mass-shifting (at an atomic level).

Not really. Mass-shifting involves the TF storing most of their atoms in subspace in order for them to shrink down and decrease their weight to the same amount as that of the object it transforms into. With atomic compression, they're still made up of the same amount of atoms, they're just compacted together more tightly and their weight remains the same.

 

Without "Mass-shifting" that 3-ton robot Soundwave turns into a 3-ton micro-cassette player. So when he transforms into his alt-mode and sits on top of a table, the table breaks. And I'm thinking he'd also get really hot because of all the energy released when compressing the atoms into a smaller volume. Same reason stars get so hot.