i dont know about a new BW but i do know what Id like to see.

 

When is someone going to make a Transformers that has more of a "Adult" appeal? Dont get me wrong I love G1, BW and even find myself watching the Japanese versions. But at the same time the comic lines have done a great job at bringing the feel of a war torn world to life.

 

Please no more human children running around and "saving the Transformers" from ultimate annialation. Please this is supposed to be a world that has been at war for 9 million + years and they need the help of kids to save them!!! While the kiddie series have their place I want more!

I'll one-up that - how about a Transformers show that's really good?

Did you sleep during RiD? :tfgrin

It's funny how a show that was "pretty good" is held up as the model for all future Transformers shows.

 

I'll one-up that - how about a Transformers show that's really good? Or am I aiming too high?

 

Or am I talking to the wrong crowd?

 

eh

 

That's funny. I'd consider Beast Wars to be "excellent," not just "pretty good." It had great writing, strong character development, and awesome 3D animation. Beast Machines was also excellent, but in a different way, so I still consider Beast Wars to be the better series.

 

In fact, I rank Beast Wars to be the best animated series I've ever seen. Not all Transformers series, unfortunately, rank nearly as high in my mind.

 

I agree 100%.

 

Animated looks unlikly to surpass BW in quality. I have high hopes for it to be better than anything we've had to endure since RiD, but that's not saying much. I expect it to be better than diarhiea coverd cornflakes too.

i don't think we will ever get a show based just around animals again and it only really happened the last time as a way to try and save the brand (that was at the time in the Blotter)

Cybertron had some very cool beast-bots. At least the toys are awesome... I never saw the show, so I can't say anything about their characters. But I could do with some more beasty-toys. I mean, who doesn't love Flame Convoy?

It's funny how a show that was "pretty good" is held up as the model for all future Transformers shows.

 

I'll one-up that - how about a Transformers show that's really good? Or am I aiming too high?

 

Or am I talking to the wrong crowd?

 

eh

 

That's funny. I'd consider Beast Wars to be "excellent," not just "pretty good." It had great writing, strong character development, and awesome 3D animation. Beast Machines was also excellent, but in a different way, so I still consider Beast Wars to be the better series.

 

In fact, I rank Beast Wars to be the best animated series I've ever seen. Not all Transformers series, unfortunately, rank nearly as high in my mind.

 

I agree 100%.

 

Animated looks unlikly to surpass BW in quality. I have high hopes for it to be better than anything we've had to endure since RiD, but that's not saying much. I expect it to be better than diarhiea coverd cornflakes too.

Like I said... "Beast Wars is the best animated series I've ever seen." Really? Better than everything else ever? Funny, I always thought the first season of BW had laugh-out-loud animation, typical boys' cartoon bravado-laden pulp fiction-level writing, and character types more than actual characters. It matured somewhat in the second and third seasons, but when you look at the series overall... well that's why I say it was "pretty good". Which BTW would be generous coming from anyone who wasn't a Transformers fan.

 

FYI I would say the same about Beast Machines, which -- if you've been here for any time at all -- you will know is my favorite TF show ever that I gush over regularly. It's just silly to me the way this show is deified so much.

 

 

BTW I don't think that "Animated" is going to be THAT fantastic either. I'm sure it'll be good, but let's not get crazy about it or anything. But as with Beast Wars, Animated benefits from *not* being what came before it, which I'm sure will influence the fandom's opinion of it.

Almost EVERY show suffers from a lackluster 1st season. I love beast machines but its 1st season had nothing but improved animation. and it was all blue.

 

Besides maybe Clone Wars I can't think of a better written more enjoyable action animation. No offence to Clone Wars but it (unfortunatly) was not called upon to do an ongoing show so its hard to compare it to a full series. It's practically a highlights clip. (I'm looking forward to seeing if CW's new incarnaton stands up with the 2D version)

 

I mean so Beast Wars season 1 was a little episodic... It still had some great episodes and the 1st functioning continuity we ever had. They really trimmed the fat for season 2 and climaxed by making a ongoing plot that collectors and kids could both love. It had love interests and betryals. Solid maintained character development. Great Dialog, by far the best TF dialog outside a comic, and I can't think of an action toon that has ever toped it in dialog, for that matter. Ravage? Anybody seen a better episode than "Code of the Hero" recently?

I missed the whole Beast Wars era (too busy chasing girls, actually too busy with girls telling me to sod off and leave them alone, but anyway... ). When I first started collecting again, I just though BW as a bit crapy. Vehicles not Beasts! But now I've reasurched it, and seen a couple of episodes and got a couple of toys I'm starting to get into it. A whole new era to enjoy! However I don't think we'll get another Beast War, and I think children these days want car/jets/space ships, not beasts so much as the Jurassic Park 90s. But I'd love to see some BW characters make a come back, and see some updated figs in Classics2/Universe, although the few BW figs I've got stand up very well indeed to more recent figs. I think a new mini-Beast War in the Universe line is the place to go. I'd love to see an updated Magnaboss and Tripredacus.

Almost EVERY show suffers from a lackluster 1st season. I love beast machines but its 1st season had nothing but improved animation. and it was all blue.

 

Besides maybe Clone Wars I can't think of a better written more enjoyable action animation. No offence to Clone Wars but it (unfortunatly) was not called upon to do an ongoing show so its hard to compare it to a full series. It's practically a highlights clip. (I'm looking forward to seeing if CW's new incarnaton stands up with the 2D version)

 

I mean so Beast Wars season 1 was a little episodic... It still had some great episodes and the 1st functioning continuity we ever had. They really trimmed the fat for season 2 and climaxed by making a ongoing plot that collectors and kids could both love. It had love interests and betryals. Solid maintained character development. Great Dialog, by far the best TF dialog outside a comic, and I can't think of an action toon that has ever toped it in dialog, for that matter. Ravage? Anybody seen a better episode than "Code of the Hero" recently?

I think "Code of Hero" was probably the defining moment of the series. It's not my personal favorite episode b/c I preferred Dinobot when he wasn't so emo, but certainly his death became the emotional center of the show after that point. And it was an episode that didn't rely upon knowledge of G1 for its impact.

 

My choice for best animated series would be Avatar. I'm watching it with my wife right now, and she loves it. I don't think I would get the same reaction with any Transformers show. The problem inherent to the Transformers franchise is that no matter how good the show in question may be, its ultimate purpose is *always* to sell toys. And that comes across in the show, no matter how cleverly the writers try to hide it.

OK, so perhaps Beast Wars (or Beast Machines, my personal fav.) are not the absolute best animated entertainment EVER. You base this on the fact that they were created to sell a toyline, and so are not a "pure" form of animated entertainment. I can understand that argument, but most televised series promote toy sales, and there are Avatar toys. Now, I can name several animated MOVIES that are indeed better "pure" entertainment, although since most of them are of Japanese origin, I have no idea if they marketed toylines for them, but they probably did. But then, it's easier for a movie to provide that level of entertainment than an ongoing series, which has to keep coming up with new stories, and reinventing itself in order to stay alive. Yeah, the Avatar series is pretty good entertainment, I've enjoyed it myself. And I'm a Naruto fanatic. But they all have stuff they'd like you to buy. So how about we go with: Beast Wars( I vote Beast Machines actually ) is the best-written Transformers series ever, period. Do I think it's time for a new series of it? Not really, but I do like beast-bots, and would love to see more included in whatever series is currently taking place, provided that it's written intelligently and their inclusion makes sense.

 

 

Besides, Family Guy is the best series EVAR! :P