With my Sequel Ideas - in the Sequel Idea Thread --

Here is how I would do a combiner ---

The Gestalt combines through a series of snag and pulling motions, as the Decepticons merge together on multple levels - not just "this guy is designated an arm and this guy is only a leg" - they all merge together through a means that almost looks organic. This tangled mess, yet still very sophisticated looking giant would be built structurally together through a means of joining not on the actual joints, but instead on a tight, thorough, multiple slot system throughout the entire body. Therefore the joints wouldn't be nearly as weak/used as weak spots on the massive robot form.

 

Triple Changers would be done more along the lines of this:

Astrotrain - honestly the most defined and hardest Triple-Changers to use fully, due to his name and what he would need to be to cover his namesake well. I would first call him DRIVETRAIN and would give him the Locomotive form as well as a large Fire Truck/RV form to be able to move throughout the cities as well as taking the train routes around the USA. The reason I would come up with him having two land forms is that you'd still have to come up with a true STORY purpose for the train mode and he couldn't Mass-Shift into a Space Shuttle and have it work.

 

Octane - The easiest Decepticon Triple-Changer to make probably. You just need a large truck form and a secondary form that can use the mass of the trailer and cab of the semi together. The secondary alt. mode form would have to be selected based upon the overall story. It could be a form of watercraft or maybe even a form of small aircraft, depending upon the overall use and size of his semi-truck form.

 

Blitzwing - Having his a Jet is a necessity. His other form, couldn't be tank really (at least not at first thoughts - lots of work would have to be used to force that), but perhaps another form of military muscle. Such as an armored platform truck or maybe even a large supply truck or missile truck (again this is going to not be so easy to make it work effectively without lots of preparation and thought).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My Sequel Ideas -- Just to repost for you guys to think on if you'd like to.

Hunter Rose assisted in these ideas too.

 

First Sequel Idea:

Prime uses a beacon to call some more Autobots to Earth. Those New Autobots are:

Prowl - Prime's New Righthand/Second-in-Command.

Grimlock - Takes the more War-Prepped Autobots to a whole new level (as Ironhide is out initial intro to that idea).

Sunstreaker & Sideswipe - Autobot Warriors and introduces the "family" and "brother" aspect to movie franchise.

 

Starscream calls in Decepticon Reinforcements. He gets:

Shockwave - New Decepticon Leader, forcibly puts Starscream in his place as a subordinate.

A Gestalt Team - Group of combiners who at first don't seem to be anything too special until the end.

 

Optimus Prime and the Autobots have a showdown with Shockwave and his minions. The Decepticons repel the Autobots and the Autobots are forced to flee. Shockwave wants to make sure Megatron is out of the picture and goes to great lengths to do so. Starscream tries to usurp Shockwave, only to be taken down. Then later Prowl and his new Autobot Team show up to give Prime a hand in fighting Shockwave. Optimus Prime and Shockwave have a giant battle at the end, in which before Shockwave looses, he activates the forced transformation/combination of his Gestalt Decepticons. The Gestalt combines through a series of snag and pulling motions, as the Decepticons merge together on multple levels - not just "this guy is designated an arm and this guy a leg" - they all merge together through a means that almost looks organic. This tangled mess, yet still very sophisticated looking giant robot smashes the Autobots around, then turns it's sights on crushing Optimus. As Prime is about to be finished off - Grimlock lets the Combiner have it, blasting an arm off! As the arm is tore to shreds, the individual Decepticons body parts are shown flying out, a head whips by the camera in the explosion! Eventually the Gestalt is killed, but not after he does major damage to the city around him and kills at least one Autobot while damaging the others. Starscream, who has been absent most of the final battle is shown to have been watching it, not assisting Shockwave and his Giant. Starscream flees once again, with Shockwave not far behind him. We are then shown a slightly recognizable figure and another new TF approaching Shockwave and Starscream. Megatron returns with Soundwave's help! Megatron takes back his leadership from Shockwave brutally and turns to Starscream, who then pledges his loyalty to Megs once again.

 

 

 

Second Sequel Idea:

Prime uses a beacon to call some more Autobots to Earth. Those New Autobots are:

Prowl - Prime's New Righthand/Second-in-Command.

Grimlock - Takes the more War-Prepped Autobots to a whole new level (as Ironhide is out initial intro to that idea).

Sunstreaker & Sideswipe - Autobot Warriors and introduces the "family" and "brother" aspect to movie franchise.

 

Starscream calls in Decepticon Reinforcements. He gets:

Shockwave - New Decepticon Leader, forcibly puts Starscream in his place as a subordinate.

Blitzwing - Triple-Changer.

Octane - Triple-Changer.

Soundwave - Stealth Bomber, very secretive and silent, but imposing.

Rumble - Similar to Frenzy, but definitely Soundwave's follower.

Laserbeak - Multiple Bird-Like Drones Soundwave releases.

Ravage - A beast-like TF in the vein of Scorponok, who has an animal-like robot mode. Loyal to Soundwave.

 

New Threat - The "Insecticons"!

 

Shockwave comes to Earth due to a distress signal by Starscream. Shockwave brings his Triple-Changers and Soundwave (and Soundwave's Minions). Soundwave has his own agenda in coming to Earth - to find Megatron. Shockwave and his Decepticons attack a city and draw the Autobots out. As the Autobots and Decepticons fight the Triple-Changers leave the Autobots stunned and a bit out-classed. Then Prowl and his Team arrive, to warn them all of the "Swarm". A massive group of locust-like robots that devour and eat every resource on a planet before moving on to the next planet. They are insect-like and very powerful due to their numbers. Starscream uses this to his advantage and tries to take out Prime while the battle is halted. Shockwave decides a steady retreat and regroup to prepare for the on-coming "Swarm". While Prime is recovering, Prowl and Ironhide inform Sam/Spike of who/what the "Swarm" are, and show him holograms of them. He calles them Insects (which could lead to the term Insecticons, depending on how it's handled). Shortly afterwards the "Swarm" hits Earth, destroying buildings and eating anything mechanical/metal. Prime and the Autobots go to fight this menace. Eventually Shockwave and his Decepticons contact Prime and the Autobots and make a small truce to rid Earth of the Insecticons. As the two groups work together, it's reported that the final Insecticon "queen" is coming to Earth - Shrapnel, a massive beetle-like beast with large lightning rods on it's back that absorb and charge electric energy. Shrapnel and what's left of the Insecticons battle the Autobots and Decepticons in a massive raging finale. It ends with Soundwave and his minions disappearance during the battle and the death of Octane and 1 Autobot (to be determined). Shockwave and his Decepticons leave to repair. As they do, Soundwave reappears with Megatron and Megatron crushes Shockwave and forces Blitzwing under his command.

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Whoa awsome thinking. :thumb

 

I'd be all for gestalts & possibly Tripple changers but that would be tricky.

 

For now though I just want to wait to see if the first movie is good enough to even warrant a sequel.

The problem with Triple changers is that from what i understand of the movie-verse, characters can pretty much change their altmodes at will.

ie - BB gets to be two different cars (i think that they are both cameros is simply a simplification for licensing and viewer purposes).

 

So in effect - he already is a triple changer (although not necessarily a real interesting one).

 

The gestalt idea i like a lot. However the vehicles are going to have to be reasonably with in scale.

Something like bruticus would not work (ie- having the helicopter be the same size as a jeep)

I was thinking in a sequel there could be a combiner of sorts, or rather an amalgamated mess of bits and pieces that. So were left with a horrible abomination absorbs whatever it sees fit, like a big bacterium. As it 'grabs' various transformers it could encompass them into its being. You know bits of robots/vehicles here and there.

I think I should point out that I'm not asking here if these features could necessairily work, I'm asking if, should these be in the film, will non-transfans accept them or will 'Hey wouldn't this be cool on the toy' features cheapen the movie more for them and make them feel more like they're watching a massive commercial?

I think I should point out that I'm not asking here if these features could necessairily work, I'm asking if, should these be in the film, will non-transfans accept them or will 'Hey wouldn't this be cool on the toy' features cheapen the movie more for them and make them feel more like they're watching a massive commercial?

 

That would depend on how they're introduced. If it's just thrown onto the screen with no real reason for it other than "we felt like putting combiners in" then yeah, people are going to feel like they're watching a 2 hour toy commercial. If the gimmick is treated as a natural extension of already established principles, then I think audiences would suspend some disbelief.

Combiners I could see as having a use as a 'final battle' thing. Super modes perhaps as well, although considerably more cheesy.

 

Not sure if I can come up with a good reason for triple-changers though.

How the hell do you guys speculate about sequels when we havent seen the movie yet

 

 

and as far as gimmicks go, being a transmogrifying automaton is pretty good gimmick

How the hell do you guys speculate about sequels when we havent seen the movie yet

 

 

and as far as gimmicks go, being a transmogrifying automaton is pretty good gimmick

but as you know smith, sci fi movie sequels always have to up the anti.... that's why I hope for no sequels... i mean when the hell did it just become fact that summer movies MUST/WILL have sequels?

How the hell do you guys speculate about sequels when we havent seen the movie yet

 

 

and as far as gimmicks go, being a transmogrifying automaton is pretty good gimmick

but as you know smith, sci fi movie sequels always have to up the anti.... that's why I hope for no sequels... i mean when the hell did it just become fact that summer movies MUST/WILL have sequels?

About the same time Hollywood figured out that making a sequel to an already popular film is much easier than starting a completely new project from scratch.

Characters? Check

Fanbase? Check

Vague idea for a plot? Check