In the cartoon it was cut and dry. Autobots were the good guys and the Decepticons were evil. The comics were for the most part the same way, but it was possible to relate to the Cons more. G2 is when everything became more grey. The G2 Cons were evil, but the G1 Cons were not so much, and the Autobots bacame war hungry. BW/Bm continued the grey period, but with the new anime shows it is now cut and dry again.

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I think with G2 they just wanted to make everything more EXTREEEEEEEEM... every friggin' Autobot has a machine gun and a RAAARRR face with a huge chin :lol

 

 

 

dang I love G2

And yet our culture has - if anything become MORE grey--- less cut and dried

In the cartoon it was cut and dry. Autobots were the good guys and the Decepticons were evil. The comics were for the most part the same way, but it was possible to relate to the Cons more. G2 is when everything became more grey. The G2 Cons were evil, but the G1 Cons were not so much, and the Autobots bacame war hungry. BW/Bm continued the grey period, but with the new anime shows it is now cut and dry again.

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I think with G2 they just wanted to make everything more EXTREEEEEEEEM... every friggin' Autobot has a machine gun and a RAAARRR face with a huge chin :lol

 

 

 

dang I love G2

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And everyone dies right and left. I think more TFs died in the 12 issues of G2 than the entire G1 show, movie, and comics combined.

In the cartoon it was cut and dry. Autobots were the good guys and the Decepticons were evil. The comics were for the most part the same way, but it was possible to relate to the Cons more. G2 is when everything became more grey. The G2 Cons were evil, but the G1 Cons were not so much, and the Autobots bacame war hungry. BW/Bm continued the grey period, but with the new anime shows it is now cut and dry again.

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I think with G2 they just wanted to make everything more EXTREEEEEEEEM... every friggin' Autobot has a machine gun and a RAAARRR face with a huge chin :lol

 

 

 

dang I love G2

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And everyone dies right and left. I think more TFs died in the 12 issues of G2 than the entire G1 show, movie, and comics combined.

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good times

how about we have a series where the autobot and decepticons work togeather throught the entire series stopping a new threat( not unicron) maybe a new race of robots, then at the end they dance and sing DARE TO BE STUPID

how about we have a series where the autobot and decepticons work togeather throught the entire series stopping a new threat( not unicron) maybe a new race of robots, then at the end they dance and sing DARE TO BE STUPID

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That sounds alot like G2 just replace "then at the end they dance and sing DARE TO BE STUPID" with nearly everyone dies. :thumb

I just think all this "oh the Autobots weren't really noble/heroic" is just projected bullsh*t. Come on. They're obviously written as heroic characters. It's a kids' toy property. If you want to be all subversive about stuff, choose something a bit more mature to test your theories out on.

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you know, the reason I even signed up at TFans is because somebody made a post accusing optimus prime of being a tyrant.

 

Edit: I quoted him and pointedo ut his logic errors.

In the cartoon it was cut and dry. Autobots were the good guys and the Decepticons were evil. The comics were for the most part the same way, but it was possible to relate to the Cons more. G2 is when everything became more grey. The G2 Cons were evil, but the G1 Cons were not so much, and the Autobots bacame war hungry. BW/Bm continued the grey period, but with the new anime shows it is now cut and dry again.

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I think with G2 they just wanted to make everything more EXTREEEEEEEEM... every friggin' Autobot has a machine gun and a RAAARRR face with a huge chin :lol

 

 

 

dang I love G2

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And everyone dies right and left. I think more TFs died in the 12 issues of G2 than the entire G1 show, movie, and comics combined.

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-G1 Deaths

Orian Pax(Rebuilt as Convoy)

Arial(Rebuilt as Elieta-1)

Dion*(possably rebuilt as Ultra Magnas)

Kranix

Arblus

Ironhide

Ratchet

Windcharger

Wheeljack*

Prowl

Brawn

Huffer

Alpha Trion*

Convoy*

Megatron (Rebuilt as Galvatron)

Skywarp(Rebuilt as Cyclonus)

Thundercracker(Rebuilt as Scourge

Starscream*

Bombshell(Rebuilt as Armada)

Kickback(Rebuilt as Sweep)

Shrapnel(Rebuilt as Sweep)

Unicron*

Bumblebee(Rebuilt as Goldbug)

Jackal

Convoy(Rebuilt as Star Convoy)

Soundwave(Rebuilt as Soundblaster)

Broadcast(Rebult as Twincast)

Galvatron(Rebuilt as Super Megatron)

Sappho

Ultra Magnas

Wingspan

Pounce

Mega Zarak(Rebuilt as Black Zarak

Mega

Giga

Sixnight

Hydra Darkwings

Buster Darkwings

Black Zarak^

God Ginrai(Rebuilt as Victory Lio)

Deathcobra

Zeozack

Killbison

Hellbat

Jaragar

Gaihawk

Drillhorn

Deathsaurus

Devestator^

Menesor^

Bruticus^

Predaking^

King Posidon^

Dinosauror^

Overlord^

Violingiger

Super Megatron(Rebuilt as Ultra Megatron)

Ultra Megatron(Fused with Dark Nova to form Star Giant)

Star Giant(megatron component survieved)

Battle Geae

Dark Jet

Shadowjet

Moonjet

Flarejet

Wheelie

 

*rebuit with same body

^revieved as zombie by Violingiger, latter killed by the PoweredMasters.

 

and this is just the cartoon

-G1 Deaths

 

 

Wheelie

 

:tfsad

In the cartoon it was cut and dry. Autobots were the good guys and the Decepticons were evil. The comics were for the most part the same way, but it was possible to relate to the Cons more. G2 is when everything became more grey. The G2 Cons were evil, but the G1 Cons were not so much, and the Autobots bacame war hungry. BW/Bm continued the grey period, but with the new anime shows it is now cut and dry again.

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I think with G2 they just wanted to make everything more EXTREEEEEEEEM... every friggin' Autobot has a machine gun and a RAAARRR face with a huge chin :lol

 

 

 

dang I love G2

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And everyone dies right and left. I think more TFs died in the 12 issues of G2 than the entire G1 show, movie, and comics combined.

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-G1 Deaths

Orian Pax(Rebuilt as Convoy)

Arial(Rebuilt as Elieta-1)

Dion*(possably rebuilt as Ultra Magnas)

Kranix

Arblus

Ironhide

Ratchet

Windcharger

Wheeljack*

Prowl

Brawn

Huffer

Alpha Trion*

Convoy*

Megatron (Rebuilt as Galvatron)

Skywarp(Rebuilt as Cyclonus)

Thundercracker(Rebuilt as Scourge

Starscream*

Bombshell(Rebuilt as Armada)

Kickback(Rebuilt as Sweep)

Shrapnel(Rebuilt as Sweep)

Unicron*

Bumblebee(Rebuilt as Goldbug)

Jackal

Convoy(Rebuilt as Star Convoy)

Soundwave(Rebuilt as Soundblaster)

Broadcast(Rebult as Twincast)

Galvatron(Rebuilt as Super Megatron)

Sappho

Ultra Magnas

Wingspan

Pounce

Mega Zarak(Rebuilt as Black Zarak

Mega

Giga

Sixnight

Hydra Darkwings

Buster Darkwings

Black Zarak^

God Ginrai(Rebuilt as Victory Lio)

Deathcobra

Zeozack

Killbison

Hellbat

Jaragar

Gaihawk

Drillhorn

Deathsaurus

Devestator^

Menesor^

Bruticus^

Predaking^

King Posidon^

Dinosauror^

Overlord^

Violingiger

Super Megatron(Rebuilt as Ultra Megatron)

Ultra Megatron(Fused with Dark Nova to form Star Giant)

Star Giant(megatron component survieved)

Battle Geae

Dark Jet

Shadowjet

Moonjet

Flarejet

Wheelie

 

*rebuit with same body

^revieved as zombie by Violingiger, latter killed by the PoweredMasters.

 

and this is just the cartoon

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That many died in one issue of G2.