Is there a smiley of a spinning head?

bieng a jerk ...right thats why i offered help in the first place ...you just don't want to listen thats your problem! not mine

 

Well let's see... In your first post, you tossed out a bunch of terminology in rather poorly constructed sentences and I saw no mention of what programs you prefer to use for your own conversions. No links provided, no detailed descriptions of your own methods, just a bunch of figures randomly strewn together in half-assed english. Then your followup replies just give me a hard time for using programs like GK (you probably assume AutoGK the way you've been acting about it), which is funny because GK is actually quite well respected. Then you bag on me for using WMP, which I had explained works perfectly fine for viewing DVD content and comes down to a matter of preference. I even gave other players like Zoom a chance, but they were either too buggy or you had to buy full versions to make them decent. No that's not good enough for you, much like how Mac users bag on Windows users. To top it off, you make the insinuation that I'm somehow a liar on my claim of film experience (which again you confused with video editing experience). That's acting like a jerk in my book.

 

ever considered that ivtc can cause jerky playback ?? on hybrid and Full Interlaced sources (most of the toon now are full (100%) interlaced becuase they are computer generated take galaxy force for example)

 

Ever consider I already looked for this issue? I didn't just blindly press a button and assume everything was encoded properly with smooth playback. I'm very obsessive about A: having the frames accurately recreated, and B: that they play back correctly without jerky movement. When the telecine source is 100% film, I know wtf to do with that and conversely when its filled with hybrid sections. You have to know exactly what you're dealing with in terms of the source file. You know this perfectly well.

 

 

gordianknot is a nice tool sure nothing wrong with it ...but xvid needs settings changed and/or a custom matrix to get the max quality out of it.

 

Here again it sounds like you think I just throw files into AutoGK or something and click encode. Believe it or not I actually know how to change xvid settings, and I also used Vdub by itself for quite a while before even downloading GK. My first program was Womble DVD Wizard, but I found that to be terribly inadequate for my needs. It does decent trimming, but has virtually no control over filtering and deinterlacing options. All it has is a basic deinterlace, which looks like crap on the output.

 

nvidia's decoder does "ivtc" on all dvd's that are encoded with 23.976 + pulldown restoring it to its original frame rate with no interlacing or ghosting ! nvidia's decoder is equal to most expensive dvd players on the market

 

That's great and all but if I'm on an ATI graphics card, it doesn't much help me. Feel free to bag on me for choosing the wrong card too.

 

dude what ever makes you a happy camper if you want to watch jerky toons be my guest just don't claim you know what your doing becuase you don't thats perfectly clear.

and calling people names sure is childish especially when someone is trying to help :S

 

Yes just go right on thinking that, and thanks for your "help" of basically just bagging on the software I use even though the resulting output file has NOTHING wrong with it other than not being your preferred choice of encoding/storage. The whole point was very simply to demonstrate that there is a way to reverse the NTSC telecine process on animated films and that I wasn't an "idiot" for claiming such a process was done to these cartoons to begin with. Instead you turned it into this chest-thumping war by bagging on the "beginner" tools I use when that's completely irrelevant.

 

o well best of luck on your project

 

regards

Mr Expert :P

 

Thank you. Best of luck to you as well.

native language not english (now who's bieng a jerk ?)

never called you an idiot you did that yourself

 

no detailed descriptions of your own methods

 

read it again .... take a look

 

01 use a telecide filter with a post processing deinterlacer a sharp one and leave it at 29.970fps don't use decimate if dgindex shows you have more video (Interlaced) than film (progressive) (Press f5)

 

02 use a telecide filter with a postprocessing deinterlacer a sharp one and decimate (Cycle=5) if dgindex shows you have more film (progressive) than video (Interlaced) (Press f5)

 

03 use tfm (telecide) and its vfr option to save the time codes + the Matroska container (.mkv)

 

04 get a good dvd player with progressive scan and HDMI like a denon, oppo or something... or use a good decoder on the pc like Nvidia's MPEG2 decoder or Powerdvd (with hardware decoding enabled (Nvidia)), reclock,haali's splitter (or overlay for tv-out)and FFDShow (yv12torgb High Quality (nvidia 8600 needs it)

 

lmao on the software remarks ...i use gknot to calculate/or crop black bars its the easiest program for it ..on a ati card nvidia's decoder works aswell ( and you think you know everything:s)

 

and using gknot and its filters is relevant your better of using tfm/tdecimate like i mentioned before

 

just a bunch of figures randomly strewn together in half-assed english.

 

thats so funny becuase people who know about film and editing know what i'm talking about

 

i could go on and on but to no avail ..you just won't understand call it bagging call me a jerk heh

 

talk about half-assed english >

I was shot down and told I was basically an idiot for not undertsanding how the "NTSC" format works.

 

your the only jerk arround here ..looks around yup its you

(I might have been a little harsh due to my half assed english..who knows :P)

 

for your info and anyone that wants to know i'm using:

 

avisynth

decomb (telecide and decimate)

TFM

TDecimate

Tdient

ideei2

lanczos4resize

splineresizers

dcbob

hqd3dn

deen

colormatrix

etc etc etc...

 

GKNOT (O.O) for cropping and resizing

VirtualDub (huffyuv or lagarith Lossless)

MeGui for x264

CinemaCraftEncoder SP2 for mpeg2

Sonic cinevision for h.264 - VC1- mpeg2(HD)

Sonic softencode dolby digital 5.1

adobe audition

 

i could have answered in a nasty way but that would bring me down to your level and thats not even worth it.

 

but still good luck with your project

(your actually one that has been reading something about encoding thats a big +)

If English is not your first language, then perhaps you should master it as well as you have video editing. It would have been a MAJOR help in figuring out just where you're coming from. Beyond that, your reply is still with a jerk attitude, and I've had enough of dealing with your taunts. From now on, I'm no longer reading your posts.

News update on my progress:

 

First, I want to apologize to everyone for getting involved in derailing this thread topic with drama.

 

At any rate, I spent a lot more time reading documentation and struggling to get codecs installed on my Vista 64 OS. It seems you can't use .inf install methods on 64bit, so I ended up have to do a command line install (which was riddled with hidden security blocks). Gotta love Vista's "user friendly" hidden features...

 

I now use Avisynth directly with DGMPGDec and also several filters, most importantly Decomb. I took the one-inch broadcast tape transfer of the orginal G1 credits and applied IVTC via Decomb with Cycle 5 Decimation. I checked frame-by-frame in VirtualDub and confirmed the proper duplicate frames were dropped. Then from there I began cleaning and cropping the video. I also added in some slight adjustment to the saturation and sharpness, though I need a filter that controls the levels of RGB individually as the red tones are a little intense.

 

Here's the full-quality restored G1 credits (avi format with ffdshow xvid encoding):

 

G1 Credits Restored 23.976fps

for someone not reading my posts heh you actually did read it didn't you

maybe the jerk with half assed english did help huh

BT-22 Convoy, dude if you're trying to be of help, then cool, but you are coming off as kind of a ass. If you're going to argue with the guy actually doing it then leave the thread its his. If you know how to do it so much better, then do it yourself. He's the one taking the time to do it in the process he feels comfortable with. If you know how to do it better then go do it and quit throwing your "input" around.

 

Cool work btw Firebrandx

BT-22 Convoy, dude if you're trying to be of help, then cool, but you are coming off as kind of a ass. If you're going to argue with the guy actually doing it then leave the thread its his. If you know how to do it so much better, then do it yourself. He's the one taking the time to do it in the process he feels comfortable with. If you know how to do it better then go do it and quit throwing your "input" around.

 

Cool work btw Firebrandx

 

 

fine with me mate

if he had been more friendly i would have shown him what i know even the avs script (avisynth) so he could use them for encoding to xvid becuase i allready did re-encode them to full progressive with pulldown to store them back on DVD (rhino's dvd boxsets) which whas insanely difficult to get them to playback smoothly.

i whas an ass your right in some reply's but hey look at his replies ..check out the reply's the bloke wrote not everyone is an american or brit on here

yea i wanted to say to much but wrote to little i guess i whas excited that someone else loved g-1 toons so much to restore them to the original state thought he whas a encoder that knew what he whas doing ...my mistake.

Another update:

 

I've been hard at work restoring the 3-part "More than Meets the Eye" pilot. I found that even setting Decomb's IVTC params to the most sensitive detection, it was still mis-matching fields on scenes with tiny mouth movements or other small animations. I had no choice but to start matching fields manually with an override script file. The process is slow, but it ensures 100% accuracy and avoids having to use any sort of post deinterlacing. I'm up to frame 70,000 of the 110,000+ frames in this one-hour seamless edit of the episodes. I've done a test video output of what I've finished so far and it looks great!

 

The downside of looking at each frame on close inspection is seeing some pretty horrible animation/color mistakes. I saw several frames with multiple Starscreams and Soundwaves, one scene with SEVEN Reflectors, and another scene with like nine seeker jets in various shades of blue-green.

 

One scene that made me crack up laughing was from the off-shore oil platform battle. I took a screen cap and added in my own caption:

 

 

They should have left him guarding the base!

 

 

Anyway, I expect to be finished with the pilot restoration in a couple weeks. After that, I may start on the next episodes since each one is only 22 minutes and will be quicker to finish.

Best part of the thread! :lol