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Michael Dracon

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It had been previously established that the Animated Dinobots were at least able to discriminate between friend and foe... after establishing that the Autobots were their allies, the only time they'd previously turned on the Autobots was when they were forced to do so against their will by Meltdown. But it seems that they've taken a leap backwards with willingly turning against the Autobots by allowing themselves to be so easily manipulated by Blackarachnia. And in an incredibly lame way ("Me Grimlock so horny" = ghey).

 

The Animated Dinobots have indeed always been raging retards - which I've never liked - and it seems that writers are refusing to develop them beyond being just that. (-_-)

 

Just because they have extremely limited intelligences - at the level of wild animals - doesn't mean that they cannot evolve and be developed as meaningful characters. Noble/Savage is a really good example of a Transformer whose cognitive and intellectual capacity is of the level of a wild beast, yet he was well developed as a meaningful character. Although his intelligence could never be improved and he was never really tamed, he did learn to discriminate between friend and foe (esp. in his bonding with Nightscream) and also learnt to be a hero, ultimately becoming a martyr.

 

The Animated Dinobots seem to be incapable of even that... so it would seem that they're operating at a level far beneath that of savage beasts... maybe at the level of cockroaches. (-_-)

 

You know you're stupid when you're infinitely outsmarted by this guy...

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The Animated Dinobots have indeed always been raging retards - which I've never liked - and it seems that writers are refusing to develop them beyond being just that. (-_-)

To be fair, the writers are refusing to develope most of the characters beyond being just two-dimensional archetypes. That's the way it is with most american cartoons.

 

BTW, why am I having difficulty getting my posts to show up? This is a very serious problem. I've been trying to post all day and this is the only post that showed up.

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Re: Fanzone not pursuing charges against Powell:

 

In "Return of the Headmaster" one of Powell's arguments against Masterson being arrested for decapitating Sentinel Prime is that the Transformers, as robots, have no legal rights. Well if they have no protection under the law then neither can they be prosecuted under it. So Fanzone should've told Powell that there was no one to press charges against and the best he could do would be to file a claim with his insurance company.

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To be fair, the writers are refusing to develope most of the characters beyond being just two-dimensional archetypes. That's the way it is with most american cartoons.

You mean one-dimensional. (-_-)

 

In "Return of the Headmaster" one of Powell's arguments against Masterson being arrested for decapitating Sentinel Prime is that the Transformers, as robots, have no legal rights. Well if they have no protection under the law then neither can they be prosecuted under it. So Fanzone should've told Powell that there was no one to press charges against and the best he could do would be to file a claim with his insurance company.

Having no rights doesn't mean that you cannot be arrested and potentially executed. The police have already seized custody of Swindle (and presumably had him scrapped). Having rights means that there are several procedures that law-enforcement agencies have to follow in order to arrest, charge and prosecute you. If you have no rights, then you can be arrested, charged, prosecuted and even executed without due process (e.g.: legal representation).

 

For instance, animals which are legally classified as pests don't have rights. Look at the cane toad - the government actually encourages people to kill them because they're pests whose population are at plague proportion. People in Queensland run over cane toads all the time (not always on purpose - they're just everywhere it's sometimes difficult to drive a few kilometres without running over one). If you did that to someone's livestock, pet or a person - who have rights (animal rights, human rights) then you could be arrested and prosecuted by the state.

 

Slaves don't have rights, especially an escaped slave. In times and places where slavery occurs (and it still does in some parts of the world) there are bounties placed on escaped slaves - sometimes wanted dead or alive.

 

The Transformers, as alien robots, indeed do not have any legal rights as far as we know. That's why the police were able to capture and possibly scrap Swindle without due process. It's not like Fanzone read Swindle his rights when he got towed away - cos he has none!

 

Having no rights works in Powell's favour and against the Autobots. As aliens without rights, the Transformers can be hunted down, seized and/or exterminated like pests. Look at G1's RAAT, III and even the Neo Knights - they were able to act directly against Transformers under the assumption that they had no rights. Even G.I. Joe regarded the Transformers the same way during their initial encounter (e.g.: killing Bumblebee - although G.I. Joe's Mainframe and Ratchet did help rebuild him as Goldbug; but then all the Throttlebots were captured by Circuit Breaker who handed them over to III who in turn had them executed). Sector Seven worked the same way (e.g.: capturing and possibly dissecting Bumblebee)

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maybe its just setting up another meeting with the mayor since we already know he doesn't like powell.

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To be fair, the writers are refusing to develope most of the characters beyond being just two-dimensional archetypes. That's the way it is with most american cartoons.

You mean one-dimensional. (-_-)

 

In "Return of the Headmaster" one of Powell's arguments against Masterson being arrested for decapitating Sentinel Prime is that the Transformers, as robots, have no legal rights. Well if they have no protection under the law then neither can they be prosecuted under it. So Fanzone should've told Powell that there was no one to press charges against and the best he could do would be to file a claim with his insurance company.

Having no rights doesn't mean that you cannot be arrested and potentially executed. The police have already seized custody of Swindle (and presumably had him scrapped). Having rights means that there are several procedures that law-enforcement agencies have to follow in order to arrest, charge and prosecute you. If you have no rights, then you can be arrested, charged, prosecuted and even executed without due process (e.g.: legal representation).

 

For instance, animals which are legally classified as pests don't have rights. Look at the cane toad - the government actually encourages people to kill them because they're pests whose population are at plague proportion. People in Queensland run over cane toads all the time (not always on purpose - they're just everywhere it's sometimes difficult to drive a few kilometres without running over one). If you did that to someone's livestock, pet or a person - who have rights (animal rights, human rights) then you could be arrested and prosecuted by the state.

 

Slaves don't have rights, especially an escaped slave. In times and places where slavery occurs (and it still does in some parts of the world) there are bounties placed on escaped slaves - sometimes wanted dead or alive.

 

The Transformers, as alien robots, indeed do not have any legal rights as far as we know. That's why the police were able to capture and possibly scrap Swindle without due process. It's not like Fanzone read Swindle his rights when he got towed away - cos he has none!

 

Having no rights works in Powell's favour and against the Autobots. As aliens without rights, the Transformers can be hunted down, seized and/or exterminated like pests. Look at G1's RAAT, III and even the Neo Knights - they were able to act directly against Transformers under the assumption that they had no rights. Even G.I. Joe regarded the Transformers the same way during their initial encounter (e.g.: killing Bumblebee - although G.I. Joe's Mainframe and Ratchet did help rebuild him as Goldbug; but then all the Throttlebots were captured by Circuit Breaker who handed them over to III who in turn had them executed). Sector Seven worked the same way (e.g.: capturing and possibly dissecting Bumblebee)

 

Understood, but my point was that if the Transformers have no legal rights then they are not considered people, since all people citizen or otherwise have at least some legal rights in the US. If they are not people then they are merely things. And if you simply consider them things, like all the other non-sentient robots in Detroit, you can't file charges against them. You could potentially press charges against the owner of a rogue robot but the Transformers have no owner. Since they came from another world and were never claimed by a person or entity it would be like trying to press charges against a meteorite that fell out of the sky and damaged your house. It simply makes no sense legally IF the Transformers are not considered people.

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