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Sure glad Hasbro doesn't write the screenplay either.

 

Of course, this whole discussion assumes that mass shifting has enough merit to warrant using it on one of the main characters AND providing an explanation for it.

 

It doesn't.

That is only your opinion, not fact. There are those of us who believe it does have enough merit to warrant its use with a main character (namely Soundwave), and the providing of an explaination for it. We can go back and forth on this till Hell freezes over or simply let the subject drop. It is your choice.

I think movie Frenzy pretty much demonstrated the pointlessness of mass shifting. He did everything Soundwave can supposedly do. And he did it more effectively (I don't think a giant robot would have been able to hide on Air Force One.)

 

I'm sorry that you don't understand what an animation cheat is, but that's no reason to create an after-the-fact explanation for it. It was a cartoon for kids' toys. It's not applicable to a movie like this.

It is still just your opinion, not fact. I am not the only one who wants Soundwave to have Mass conversion. Secondly, I do know what an "animation cheat" is. One of my degrees is in cartooning. The fact is that mass conversion is an established part of TF lore and an integral part of Soundwave's character. That is why Frenzy was not named Soundwave as originally planned. His size and character didn't fit the name. Secondly, Frenzy didn't do everything that Soundwave could do. He certainly was not an appropriate advisor for Megatron, which was one of Soundwave's roles. Frenzy was just a minion. He served the same role that G1 Frenzy did, not Soundwave's role. Secondly, Mass conversion itself is independent of the transformation. Even in G1, there were times when Soundwave didn't change size when he transformed into his alternate mode. The reverse would therefore naturally be true that he could, if he so chose, remain in a smaller size in robot mode if necessary to accomplish his mission. Applying that same reasoning, Soundwave could therefore accomplishe exactly what Frenzy did, and then also be capable of going toe-to-toe with Full-sized Autobots in battle, something Frenzy could never do, by mass converting to his full size. Thus he has the best of both worlds.

 

Everything from TF lore is applicable in the movies and can be executed believably. It is not for us to say that it can't or shouldn't. There are enough of us who do believe it can and should be done., and I am not the only one.

 

However, this thread is not about Soundwave or mass conversion. It is about the Allspark, so let's get back to that.

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After seeing what the movie was actually like, how can we toss out any established idea in Transformers?

Because the movie did?

 

You can talk about Transformers "lore" all you want, but the mass shifting issue was already settled with the movie. The only people who refuse to believe this are people who just want to see it happen, even though the writers have already said "Transformers don't mass shift in the movie". Hope springs eternal, I guess.

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Secondly, Frenzy didn't do everything that Soundwave could do. He certainly was not an appropriate advisor for Megatron, which was one of Soundwave's roles.

 

Oh, well, he certainly has to be a radio to do that. :roll

 

As for discussing the Allspark...it's a magic artifact, not a character, so it doesn't matter.

 

Just like the One Ring could grow/shrink to fit on the fingers of all the various sized characters in LOTR, but if Legolas had grown to thirty times his size to take down the elephant-thingee in ROTK it would've been tremendously bad storytelling.

 

magic artifact macguffin =/= character. The rules are different.

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Well, mass shifiting seems more impractical than impossible; like it's too much trouble to bother with. I think that's a fairer way to dismiss that idea than saying, "It's dumb."

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Well, mass shifiting seems more impractical than impossible; like it's too much trouble to bother with. I think that's a fairer way to dismiss that idea than saying, "It's dumb."

 

Now you're splitting hairs. What's not dumb about making/watching a movie full of characters, who are supposed to be serious warriors fighting for their survival, acting impractically?

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After seeing what the movie was actually like, how can we toss out any established idea in Transformers?

Because the movie did?

 

You can talk about Transformers "lore" all you want, but the mass shifting issue was already settled with the movie. The only people who refuse to believe this are people who just want to see it happen, even though the writers have already said "Transformers don't mass shift in the movie". Hope springs eternal, I guess.

 

Actually, the movie bypassed the issue al together by simply choosing characters who never had mass conversion to begin with. Even Megatron did not have mass conversion in his Cybertronian form. Mass conversion was not dealt with one way or the other. That does not make the issue settled in the movie.

Secondly, Frenzy didn't do everything that Soundwave could do. He certainly was not an appropriate advisor for Megatron, which was one of Soundwave's roles.

 

Oh, well, he certainly has to be a radio to do that. :roll

 

As for discussing the Allspark...it's a magic artifact, not a character, so it doesn't matter.

 

Just like the One Ring could grow/shrink to fit on the fingers of all the various sized characters in LOTR, but if Legolas had grown to thirty times his size to take down the elephant-thingee in ROTK it would've been tremendously bad storytelling.

 

magic artifact macguffin =/= character. The rules are different.

Yes, the Allspark is an artifact, and that is what this discussion should be about, not mass conversion or specific characters. Therefore any discussion of characters is pretty much off topic.

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Well, mass shifiting seems more impractical than impossible; like it's too much trouble to bother with. I think that's a fairer way to dismiss that idea than saying, "It's dumb."

Well, *I* think it's dumb. That, as Tramp has pointed out, is just my opinion. Fortunately for me, my opinion was shared by the people who made the movie, and as a result there's no Transformer mass shifting to be found in it. Yay for me; I win.

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