How realistic is the TF's millenia old war?

[Aquarion]

If they hadn't turned into such a clusterf*** post G1 movie, I would have easily accepted the Marvel comics as the preferred G1 continuity. However, the G1 movie bombed so Marvel bent over backwards to write the events out of comic continuity, forcing them to resort to contrived time-travel/dimension-sliding plots to bring in the movie bots, resulting in comic continuity becoming overtly complicated.

[Lord Madhammer]

Even the DW MTMTE books didn't really try to be uber-continuity. As DM pointed out, they were basically for the DW continuity, which I'd say was roughly based on elements of just the first season of the G1 cartoon before veering off in its own direction. Which is why I find it funny when people quote them to support arguments from other continuities, that other continuities were mentioned is pretty much only because the DW MTMTE writers included them as Easter eggs for characters who were likely never going to be featured in actual storylines.

Just thinking about that gives me a headache.

[tentagil]

The French and the English were at war for over a hundred years, the Christians and Muslims have basically been at war since the Crusades which gives you roughly a thousand years. In both cases its not like its been a non stop conflict. You have battles, then it goes cold for a few years or even a decade or two, then it starts up again.

 

For a million year war it would be the same, jsut on a bigger scale, and even in G1 most of Cybertron was abandoned and forgotten. The population had shrunk dramatically as casualties rose and refuges fled. Then the main leaders of both sides left, and the war went into a prolonged cold period in which neither side really did anything until those leaders resurfaced. I don't see it as that far fetched.

 

Dreamwave made it work by having the planet go into stasis and then having Shockwave basically force peice once things starting waking up again. IDW has so far shown Cybertron as a wasteland as a result of the war.

[Asthaloth]

If they hadn't turned into such a clusterf*** post G1 movie, I would have easily accepted the Marvel comics as the preferred G1 continuity. However, the G1 movie bombed so Marvel bent over backwards to write the events out of comic continuity, forcing them to resort to contrived time-travel/dimension-sliding plots to bring in the movie bots, resulting in comic continuity becoming overtly complicated.

 

 

You found the time war complicated?

 

Never read a high end Sci fi (Asimov, Baxter, etcetera) You'd blow a fuse.

Second thought. Never watch doctor who either. I get the idea of a mutable time line would kill you in its complexity.

 

Sheesh.

[Guest Primal-Convoy]

In the Dreamwave GI Joe crossover one of the Joes mentions, "They must not wage war the way we do. If we were at war taht long there'd be no Earth left."

The only possible way the war could last that long if the war went 'cold' for very long periods of time. since the robots are practicaly immortal a stalemate could last a very long time.

 

well, DW's universe addressed that somewhat with how Shockwave woke up and saw everyone on cybertron in stasis lock and cybertron "healing" itself. Perhaps there are cycles where the war has ravaged cybertron to an extent where sometimes they have been dormant.

 

OR

 

TFs, being huge ruddy great bots, observe time in a different way to us fleshlings.

 

A house fly observes a day like we do a few years. Trees observe decades like we do days. Perhaps Tfs observe a few hundred days like we do days eh?

[tentagil]

In the Dreamwave GI Joe crossover one of the Joes mentions, "They must not wage war the way we do. If we were at war taht long there'd be no Earth left."

The only possible way the war could last that long if the war went 'cold' for very long periods of time. since the robots are practicaly immortal a stalemate could last a very long time.

 

well, DW's universe addressed that somewhat with how Shockwave woke up and saw everyone on cybertron in stasis lock and cybertron "healing" itself. Perhaps there are cycles where the war has ravaged cybertron to an extent where sometimes they have been dormant.

 

OR

 

TFs, being huge ruddy great bots, observe time in a different way to us fleshlings.

 

A house fly observes a day like we do a few years. Trees observe decades like we do days. Perhaps Tfs observe a few hundred days like we do days eh?

 

Well that or depending on how close and fast an orbit Cybertron was to its sun its possible a year to them was significantly shorter then a year to us. After all look at our own solar system. A year (one solar orbit) on Mercury is only 88 days by our standards, and a year on Pluto takes 248 of our years. So its actually possible that depending on how they are defining a year and what measurements they are going off of that the actual lenght of their war in Human terms has been much shorter.

 

In G1 at least it seemed like the war stopped and went into a cold period when Prime and the rest left, and started up again once they awoke from stasis, so in that case the fact that the war had gone on millions of years could have been based simply on the fact that millions of years had taken place in stasis, with only a few years or even a decade of fighting prior to that.

[Asthaloth]

The fact that Cybertron was knocked out of it's orbit by the war puts a bloody great hole in that theory tentagil...

[Valandar]

The fact that Cybertron was knocked out of it's orbit by the war puts a bloody great hole in that theory tentagil...

 

Unless their units of time were based on BEFORE they were knocked out of their orbit.

 

And while it may be "Dreamwave" official that's what happened, do we have any evidence that's what happened in ANY other continuity? Original G1, G1 Marvel US, G1 Marvel UK, G1 Japanese, Beast Wars / Beast Machines, A/E/C, any of them?

[Drewbie]

The fact that Cybertron was knocked out of it's orbit by the war puts a bloody great hole in that theory tentagil...

 

Unless their units of time were based on BEFORE they were knocked out of their orbit.

 

And while it may be "Dreamwave" official that's what happened, do we have any evidence that's what happened in ANY other continuity? Original G1, G1 Marvel US, G1 Marvel UK, G1 Japanese, Beast Wars / Beast Machines, A/E/C, any of them?

if by "it" you meant the cybertron-knocked-out-of-orbit part, then it was put forth extremely clearly in the marvel comic, and inferred in G1 after "The Ultimate Doom"

[Goktimus Prime]

Cybertron seems to have a steady orbit in Beast Machines (re: visible solar cycles). Perhaps the Maximals did something to place Cybertron into an orbit around a star during the Pax Cybertronia age (post Great War, pre-BW).