The Bond Gadget Test

[PlumperHumper]

Most transformers have only a rudimentary comlink. They aren't designed specifically with communications ans surveylance in mind. Soundwave is. His alternate mode is. The others are not. Secondly, why would he transmit them to Megatron's ciomlink when he is standing next to him?

If Soundwave has this advanced communications system throughout his body with monitors, recording devices, speakers, and all that - then he can transmit/recieve info and messages wherever he is. And if he has said advanced communications system and is standing next to Megatron - then guess what? He just plays the damn message so Megatron can hear it. Why would that need to be explained to you Tramp? Also - if it's a visual recording, Soundwave could do multiple things - plug into a monitor (ala TFTM) or use a built in projector to project the images for others to see. It's not that hard. He would have all the equipment he needs within his own body. He doesn't have to be a small portable electronic device to do all that. Using all of his energy for actually being independent and having the right equipment makes more sense than using it to Mass-Shift into something like a Stereo.

 

Fanboy goggles have nothing to do with it. Understanding the character and what makes him who and what he is, does.

You say I don't understand the character - YET, I've (as well as others) have given you ways that would keep him the top Decepticon Communications Expert and still have him as a mobile alt. mode without mass-shifting. I've also never down-played any character point to Soundwave as a character - loyalty, silent, cool voice, and his loyal followers. I even came up with a way for him to still be the Communications Officer and use his minions for spying/recording like G1 did. Just without Mass-Shifting.

[Terrorcon Blot]

Sarcasm will get you nowhere, my friend.

In essence, Soundwave is like Rattrap or Cheetor in that regards, and really always has been. And, really, does any type of vehicle really fit the name "Soundwave"? No. What does? a radio, a tape deck, a stereo system. These are all items whoe sole function is to reproduce sounds. That is the perfect form for someone named Soundwave

 

Once again, all your excuses fall down to your unreasoning hatred of mass conversion.

Does a minivan fit the name Ironhide?

Does a jet fit the name Starscream?

Does a Porsche fit the name Cliffjumper?

Does a robot stag beetle fit the name Bombshell?

 

Why is Soundwave exempt from your own logic only when it suits you? You've changed your stories, your meanings, your reasons, and whatever else didn't "mean" whatever you wanted the first time you said them.

 

I do not think of minivans when I think of things that really tough.

I do not think of jets when I hear about stars.

I do not think of porsches when I hear about a cliff that needs climbing

I do not thing of bugs with big horns when I hear about bombs.

 

Why does Soundwave have to bludgeon you over the head with the fact that, yes, his name is Soundwave?

[The King]

Theres too many words in this topic lets make it less wordy.

[PlumperHumper]

Sarcasm will get you nowhere, my friend.

In essence, Soundwave is like Rattrap or Cheetor in that regards, and really always has been. And, really, does any type of vehicle really fit the name "Soundwave"? No. What does? a radio, a tape deck, a stereo system. These are all items whoe sole function is to reproduce sounds. That is the perfect form for someone named Soundwave

 

Once again, all your excuses fall down to your unreasoning hatred of mass conversion.

Does a minivan fit the name Ironhide?

Does a jet fit the name Starscream?

Does a Porsche fit the name Cliffjumper?

Does a robot stag beetle fit the name Bombshell?

 

Why is Soundwave exempt from your own logic only when it suits you? You've changed your stories, your meanings, your reasons, and whatever else didn't "mean" whatever you wanted the first time you said them.

 

I do not think of minivans when I think of things that really tough.

I do not think of jets when I hear about stars.

I do not think of porsches when I hear about a cliff that needs climbing

I do not thing of bugs with big horns when I hear about bombs.

 

Why does Soundwave have to bludgeon you over the head with the fact that, yes, his name is Soundwave?

What Tramp is saying is that Soundwave is named Soundwave simply because he is the Communications Officer and turns into something that transmits and receives radio waves. While I get this - it still DOES NOT mean Soundwave has to mass-shift into an electronic device to do any of his function IF his body carries all the needed equipment anyways.

[Ender]

Our Excuses... as oposed to your common sense, I suppose. :stone

 

Ok, we understand your "reasons" they just arn't good enough.

 

Our base point stands and very well I think.

 

Magic Shrinky Tfs in a Live Action motion picture is stupid.

 

Let me rephrase that.

 

Magic Shrinky Tfs in a Live Action motion picture is stupid.

[Tramp]

Most transformers have only a rudimentary comlink. They aren't designed specifically with communications ans surveylance in mind. Soundwave is. His alternate mode is. The others are not. Secondly, why would he transmit them to Megatron's ciomlink when he is standing next to him?

If Soundwave has this advanced communications system throughout his body with monitors, recording devices, speakers, and all that - then he can transmit/recieve info and messages wherever he is. And if he has said advanced communications system and is standing next to Megatron - then guess what? He just plays the damn message so Megatron can hear it. Why would that need to be explained to you Tramp? Also - if it's a visual recording, Soundwave could do multiple things - plug into a monitor (ala TFTM) or use a built in projector to project the images for others to see. It's not that hard. He would have all the equipment he needs within his own body. He doesn't have to be a small portable electronic device to do all that. Using all of his energy for actually being independent and having the right equipment makes more sense than using it to Mass-Shift into something like a Stereo.

 

Fanboy goggles have nothing to do with it. Understanding the character and what makes him who and what he is, does.

You say I don't understand the character - YET, I've (as well as others) have given you ways that would keep him the top Decepticon Communications Expert and still have him as a mobile alt. mode without mass-shifting. I've also never down-played any character point to Soundwave as a character - loyalty, silent, cool voice, and his loyal followers. I even came up with a way for him to still be the Communications Officer and use his minions for spying/recording like G1 did. Just without Mass-Shifting.

And once again, what is so wrong with Mass conversion? It all comes down to that. You want to take away the one alternate mode that makes the most sense, and is what gave the character his name in the first place simpy to get rid of a gimick that you don't like for no good reason. saying it's "stupid" is not a reason.

[Terrorcon Blot]

I, for one, am not saying it's stupid.

 

 

I'm saying it's meaningless. We've already got small Transformers to do spying jobs. Even if Soundwave launches minions from his chest, guess what? They are still going to be the ones to do all the spying jobs, as we've shown Transformers don't need to shrink to do spying.

 

The only reason you've given so far is that Soundwave, and Soundwave alone has to shrink to do his job. Nevermind that there are vehicles loaded with electronics equipment for communications so advanced that a discman or laptop next to it is laughable. To you, Soundwave can't be Soundwave unless you can pick him up with one hand. He can't be Soundwave unless he can fit on Megatron's countertop. He can't be who he is unless turns into something tiny and related to playing music, even though that has absolutely nothing to do with communications.

 

 

And I'm saying THAT is stupid.

[Tramp]

Sarcasm will get you nowhere, my friend.

In essence, Soundwave is like Rattrap or Cheetor in that regards, and really always has been. And, really, does any type of vehicle really fit the name "Soundwave"? No. What does? a radio, a tape deck, a stereo system. These are all items whoe sole function is to reproduce sounds. That is the perfect form for someone named Soundwave

 

Once again, all your excuses fall down to your unreasoning hatred of mass conversion.

Does a minivan fit the name Ironhide?

Does a jet fit the name Starscream?

Does a Porsche fit the name Cliffjumper?

Does a robot stag beetle fit the name Bombshell?

 

Why is Soundwave exempt from your own logic only when it suits you? You've changed your stories, your meanings, your reasons, and whatever else didn't "mean" whatever you wanted the first time you said them.

 

I do not think of minivans when I think of things that really tough.

I do not think of jets when I hear about stars.

I do not think of porsches when I hear about a cliff that needs climbing

I do not thing of bugs with big horns when I hear about bombs.

 

Why does Soundwave have to bludgeon you over the head with the fact that, yes, his name is Soundwave?

What Tramp is saying is that Soundwave is named Soundwave simply because he is the Communications Officer and turns into something that transmits and receives radio waves. While I get this - it still DOES NOT mean Soundwave has to mass-shift into an electronic device to do any of his function IF his body carries all the needed equipment anyways.

Not Radio waves, sound waves. Soundwave got his name from the creators of Transformers from the fact that he turned into a device which was designed soleoy to reproduce sound waves, not radio waves.

 

The various characters in the series got their names for various reasons. Some from their alternate modes, some from their personalities, Some from their functions, Some from all of the above. Soundwave got his name from all of the above, especially his alternate mode. If you take that away, he ceases to fit that name and you might as well not use it at all.

[Tramp]

I, for one, am not saying it's stupid.

 

 

I'm saying it's meaningless. We've already got small Transformers to do spying jobs. Even if Soundwave launches minions from his chest, guess what? They are still going to be the ones to do all the spying jobs, as we've shown Transformers don't need to shrink to do spying.

 

The only reason you've given so far is that Soundwave, and Soundwave alone has to shrink to do his job. Nevermind that there are vehicles loaded with electronics equipment for communications so advanced that a discman or laptop next to it is laughable. To you, Soundwave can't be Soundwave unless you can pick him up with one hand. He can't be Soundwave unless he can fit on Megatron's countertop. He can't be who he is unless turns into something tiny and related to playing music, even though that has absolutely nothing to do with communications.

 

 

And I'm saying THAT is stupid.

No, it isn't meaningless. IF you intend to use the character, and do him right, it is not meaningless because no other type of alternate mode really fits someone named Soundwave. Think about it. What type of device pops into your head when you think of sound? For me it's a stereo. It isn't a car. It isn't a truck, it isn't a helocopter. It is something specifically designed for producing sounds. That is where Soundwave got his name. Why change that? If you don't want to use that alternate mode, don't use the character or that name.

 

Secondly, I didn't say that he had to shrink to do his job. I said that he had to shrink to take on the alternate mode which best suits him as a character based upon his name and function. That is why Mass conversion is important to his character. You can't have Soundwave be this little pion, and not having him be a stereo, or something similar, does not fit who he is as a character because that is where he derived his name from in the first place.

 

Cliffjumper derived his name from his hot-headed, leap before you look attitude. Skids got his name from his accident-prone nature. Ironhide got his name from his literal "iron" hide and his tough-as-nails personality. Ratchet got his name from his function, and that came from his alternate mode as an abmulance. Hoist got his name from his alternate mode. Cosmos too from his alternate mode. Perceptor got his name from his alternate mode, his function and his personality. Bumblebee got his name from his being a yellow and black little car, (originally a VW bug). He looked like a bumblebee.

[PlumperHumper]

Most transformers have only a rudimentary comlink. They aren't designed specifically with communications ans surveylance in mind. Soundwave is. His alternate mode is. The others are not. Secondly, why would he transmit them to Megatron's ciomlink when he is standing next to him?

If Soundwave has this advanced communications system throughout his body with monitors, recording devices, speakers, and all that - then he can transmit/recieve info and messages wherever he is. And if he has said advanced communications system and is standing next to Megatron - then guess what? He just plays the damn message so Megatron can hear it. Why would that need to be explained to you Tramp? Also - if it's a visual recording, Soundwave could do multiple things - plug into a monitor (ala TFTM) or use a built in projector to project the images for others to see. It's not that hard. He would have all the equipment he needs within his own body. He doesn't have to be a small portable electronic device to do all that. Using all of his energy for actually being independent and having the right equipment makes more sense than using it to Mass-Shift into something like a Stereo.

 

Fanboy goggles have nothing to do with it. Understanding the character and what makes him who and what he is, does.

You say I don't understand the character - YET, I've (as well as others) have given you ways that would keep him the top Decepticon Communications Expert and still have him as a mobile alt. mode without mass-shifting. I've also never down-played any character point to Soundwave as a character - loyalty, silent, cool voice, and his loyal followers. I even came up with a way for him to still be the Communications Officer and use his minions for spying/recording like G1 did. Just without Mass-Shifting.

And once again, what is so wrong with Mass conversion? It all comes down to that. You want to take away the one alternate mode that makes the most sense, and is what gave the character his name in the first place simpy to get rid of a gimick that you don't like for no good reason. saying it's "stupid" is not a reason.

Okay - you want my reasons -- here you go:

 

1.) Frenzy proves that a 4 foot tall spy as a stereo works effectively, without any form of Mass-Shifting (parts compression is just transforming - not true mass-shifting, because every TF has at least a form of parts compression to some minor degree) in the Movie Universe. He's sneaky, stealthy, spies, and gets his info back to the Decepticons. He is effective.

 

2.) Using the tremendous energy it takes to Mass-Shift can be put to better use by having Soundwave have all the needed components built within himself to do his function without having to resort to expending large amounts of energy through Mass-Shifting.

 

3.) We've established that really Soundwave's minions do most of the actual spying - therefore there is no good reason for him to be a Mass-Shifting Stereo when Frenzy (or Laserbeak or Ravage) can sneak in and do the spying job and then later rejoin his master at a later date and time with his information. So there is no need for Soundwave to shrink down to hide, when he could just be a van sitting in a parking lot with Frenzy in stereo mode in the seat - communicating with each other.

 

4.)Or he could be in said same parking lot coordinating Laserbeak's spying manuevers as he waits. Since he can have an alien super-communica system built within his car/van frame. It works extremely well if he's a news van or even just a van with a very large CB-Style disguised super-antennae and a bunch of extra communications/recording set ups in his rear open area.

 

 

 

There you go - 4 reasons. All can be backed up with reasoning. And just to let you know I HAVE NO PROBLEMS with Mass-Shifting in a cartoon or in G1 or anything. I have issues with it for the Movie Universe in that they've already said NO to it for what Soundwave would/should/could use it for. Also - why waste time explaining how this one character defies logic and set perimeters used in the first movie, when that same time could be devoted to showing how effective he is because he has specialized body equipment within himself to get his job done - Plus be mobile on his own, not having to rely on others (except his minions, which he relies on anyways). None of this has to break Soundwave's true character at all either.