The Bond Gadget Test

[Hunter Rose]

*Also, I think it would rule if in one of the sequels, maybe the end of third movie to close out the trilogy, if Optimus and Megatron were fighting, and the fight just kept going, across country or something, and they just kept scanning different modes again and again to increase their size/power or decrease their size to evade their opponent. And we could get like 2 dozen Prime and Megatron toys from that fight scene alone.

 

That made me think of the wizard's Duel in Disney's Sword And the Stone! and i got some Fanwood. Imagine them hitting a Natural history museum and T-rex megs and OP-Primal emerge! :eek :lol

 

At some point you have to stop and say "at what point does this cease to be TRANSFORMERS?" Liquid metal? Jeebus, Beast-Machines-redux backlash, anyone?

Pete, squelches my ghey attempts at scifi writing. :tfsad

 

 

BTW - i have been informed that a simmilar situation to what i suggested happens in IDW's TF comic - megatron emits a burst of radiation when he TFs into a pistol. I dont read teh IDW stuffs, and did not know that. But i would be curious to hear how IDW handled this concept, if in fact they did.

[Lord Madhammer]

It just seems like a LOOOOOOOOOT of explanation for an concept that isn't needed.

[Hobbes-timus Prime]

*Also, I think it would rule if in one of the sequels, maybe the end of third movie to close out the trilogy, if Optimus and Megatron were fighting, and the fight just kept going, across country or something, and they just kept scanning different modes again and again to increase their size/power or decrease their size to evade their opponent. And we could get like 2 dozen Prime and Megatron toys from that fight scene alone.

 

That made me think of the wizard's Duel in Disney's Sword And the Stone! and i got some Fanwood. Imagine them hitting a Natural history museum and T-rex megs and OP-Primal emerge! :eek :lol

 

Oh, snap! And what if Megatron actually scanned Optimus's Bot Mode, and then transformed, and Megatron's alt. mode was a replica of Prime, and while they fight Megatron gives a speech about how they're "two sides of the same coin" and stuff!?

 

Oh, the geekiness! Or have I gone too far?

[Hunter Rose]

:lol :tflaugh

[Rotorstorm]

*Also, I think it would rule if in one of the sequels, maybe the end of third movie to close out the trilogy, if Optimus and Megatron were fighting, and the fight just kept going, across country or something, and they just kept scanning different modes again and again to increase their size/power or decrease their size to evade their opponent. And we could get like 2 dozen Prime and Megatron toys from that fight scene alone.

 

That made me think of the wizard's Duel in Disney's Sword And the Stone! and i got some Fanwood. Imagine them hitting a Natural history museum and T-rex megs and OP-Primal emerge! :eek :lol

 

Oh, snap! And what if Megatron actually scanned Optimus's Bot Mode, and then transformed, and Megatron's alt. mode was a replica of Prime, and while they fight Megatron gives a speech about how they're "two sides of the same coin" and stuff!?

 

Oh, the geekiness! Or have I gone too far?

certainly not

i would pay to see that, if Bay reads that he'll pass out from the possibilities.

 

he want's a showpiece... :lol

[Hobbes-timus Prime]

*Also, I think it would rule if in one of the sequels, maybe the end of third movie to close out the trilogy, if Optimus and Megatron were fighting, and the fight just kept going, across country or something, and they just kept scanning different modes again and again to increase their size/power or decrease their size to evade their opponent. And we could get like 2 dozen Prime and Megatron toys from that fight scene alone.

 

That made me think of the wizard's Duel in Disney's Sword And the Stone! and i got some Fanwood. Imagine them hitting a Natural history museum and T-rex megs and OP-Primal emerge! :eek :lol

 

Oh, snap! And what if Megatron actually scanned Optimus's Bot Mode, and then transformed, and Megatron's alt. mode was a replica of Prime, and while they fight Megatron gives a speech about how they're "two sides of the same coin" and stuff!?

 

Oh, the geekiness! Or have I gone too far?

certainly not

i would pay to see that, if Bay reads that he'll pass out from the possibilities.

 

he want's a showpiece... :lol

 

:schin *considers e-mailing post to Nelson at Shootfortheedit.com* :schin

[Terrorcon Blot]

Just what we need. An entire line of Optimus Primes and Megatrons.

[Tramp]

The reason for size or mass shifting, from a story perspective, is that it allows larger bots, like Soundwave and Perceptor, take on modes which are better suited to their individual functions as well as hide in plain sight because those modes are also very innocuous. A small bot is well suited for espionage, which is apparently Frenzy's function in the movie now, but would not be suited for an upper eschelon officer like Soundwave because power is a key factor in Decepticon ranks, and a small bot would not be that powerful. And, even in the Autobot ranks, a large size will likely garmer more respect than a 4' tall pipsqueek would. A larger robot mode is also better suited for combat once it commences. Having an alt mode which is small but that better suits a character's given function, and a larger robot mode for combat, or simply being able to better interact with your peers, makes mass shifting very useful. A mode like a stereo system is better suited for recieving transmissions and radio waves, as well as relaying that information to the commander. Sure, a communications vehicle could pick up the signals, but how would Megatron recieve the messages or hear the transmissions? From my own experience in the Army as a communications specialist, someone needs to man a communications van and then deliver the messages. With an alt mode that is a radio, the other Decepticons could hear the transmissions directly as Soundwave recieves them, or he can play them back later. Therefore, given his position in the Decepticon heirarchy, as well as his function as Communications Officer, the ability to mass shift into a small communications devce, like a stereo system or computer, is pretty essential. An alt mode like a microscope is better suited for scientific studies and examining various subjects. and, in both cases, having over-sized versions of those types of objects would be even more ridiculous than the ability to shrink down to the proper size for such an object.

 

As to how it is done, just take a cue from TF: More than Meets the Eye #8 which defines "Mass conversion" as follows—

Mass conversion is the more complex of the two methods, and represents a significant genetic difference in those who posess it. In their standard size (fore example, robot mode) the basic atomic components of Cybertronians who use mass conversion are at rest. However, when called upon to convert into a larger or smaller mode, the very subatomic particles that compose them restructure themselves even as the being's body changes its physical configuration. Much like a Cybertronian's physical form can change its shape and properties, so can the atomic building blocks of those with mass conversion capabilities. These particles are hardwired to reconfigure themselves according to a predetermined schematic, splitting up or combining to alter their own mass and density to match the mode in question. —( Transformers: More than Meets the Eye #8 page 50)

 

There you have a reason, and a pseudo-scientific method for mass shifting.

[Tramp]

Now, obviously, that could be too much for the first movie, which already has alot to explain or have people simply take for granted, and too much could break down the suspension of disbelief. However, in a sequel, since all the rest as been covered already, they can introduce new concepts to the story without causing such a breakdown. You simply can't throw in too many fantastic concepts at once. They need to be broken down into smaller pieces over more movies.

[Hunter Rose]

A mode like a stereo system is better suited for recieving transmissions and radio waves, as well as relaying that information to the commander. Sure, a communications vehicle could pick up the signals, but how would Megatron recieve the messages or hear the transmissions? From my own experience in the Army as a communications specialist, someone needs to man a communications van and then deliver the messages. With an alt mode that is a radio, the other Decepticons could hear the transmissions directly as Soundwave recieves them, or he can play them back later.

 

Why wouldnt Soundwave just play the car radio to megatron if hearing it directly from a radio is so important?

or i suppose he could just lay in sam's sock drawer hoping that someone takes him back to megatron and pushes the play button.

 

Your comments about your experiences in the army show that you arent quite getting the LIVING ALIEN robot aspect of the Transformers Concept.

 

Seriously though, i think some of you are just being intentionally obtuse about this.