Transformers made up of multiple alt vehicles

[Markusius]

Transformers made up of multiple alt vehicles. There are many examples of these "combiners" that aren't Gestalts; Omega Supreme, Magmatron, etc.

 

What would happen if one of the vehicles was destroyed?

[PuertoRiCON]

They search ebay and/or online transformers message boards for replacement parts.

[Markusius]

lol, yeah thats what I do when I need a new part.

 

Was thinking about this because of a concept I've been kicking around about making a three vehicle Omega Supreme. Which part contains his spark? Is it the tank, the rocket, or is it suffused throughout his body? What would happen if he lost one of his vehicles; get another?

[Hellscream85]

Optimus Prime is composed of 3 units, and in the G1 animation it was said that if anyone of them were destroyed he would potentially die

[ShellformerV1]

...actually, if I recall: Prime's G1 bio states that while the effects of destruction would be felt by all 3 units, the Optimus component could survive the loss of Roller and the combat deck; Roller and the combat deck could not survive without the Optimus component.

 

This is actually a pretty good topic. I was just looking at my Sky Lynx the other day and thought: "how exactly is he supposed to work?" This would include Metroplex, Trypticon and their relationship to some of their less sentient components, as well as the Duocons and the Pretenders, to some extent.

[Markusius]

Optimus Prime is composed of 3 units, and in the G1 animation it was said that if anyone of them were destroyed he would potentially die

 

Does it state that in the G1 animation? I always thought of Optimus's trailer and Roller as accessories since OP as a robot is complete while Omega Supreme, Skylynx, and Magmatron were comprised of the combination of multiple parts.

 

Perhaps the spark that exists between the multiple components of Omega Supreme could survive if only 1/3 or 2/3 were lost. Sort of how sectors are reduntant accross a raid array in servers and one fails. The failed drive/component can be rebuilt as long as all the drives/components are not lost.

 

My Omega Supreme concept is an updated total battlefield management strategy that consists of a drone, rocket, and a large tank (NOT on a track).

[Hellscream85]

...actually, if I recall: Prime's G1 bio states that while the effects of destruction would be felt by all 3 units, the Optimus component could survive the loss of Roller and the combat deck; Roller and the combat deck could not survive without the Optimus component.

 

This is actually a pretty good topic. I was just looking at my Sky Lynx the other day and thought: "how exactly is he supposed to work?" This would include Metroplex, Trypticon and their relationship to some of their less sentient components, as well as the Duocons and the Pretenders, to some extent.

Y'know what, you're right, I was thinking of the Simon Furman MTME profile, and that ep. of G1 where Megatron was turning the Autobots evil by poisoning their recharging station, lol

[Shadowpanther]

With combiners,If one or a few of them died or got extensive battle damage. they'll build newer individual combiner team members. or draft a existing transformer into their combiner group & re-design him to be a combiner. the main problem is the combining training he'd need to go thru & complete. also the newer combiner team members mind/spark & how he'd change the gestalt's mind/persona.

 

With the 1980's pretender. the inner robots can exist without the pretender shells. the pretender shells are just remote controlled suits of armor that protect & enhance the transformers fighting powers,strenght,height,bulk & fire power. the pretender shells are also their to disguise the transformer.

 

as far as the duo-cons,duo-bots & trio-cons/bots goes. it's based on a individual circumstance. sky can do just fine without lynx & vice versa. if one dies,they just had to get different alt modes. the duocons & magmatron will die die or won't be able to combine,as it appears that have singular spark divided up into different components. tidalwave who's a trio Combiner got reformated into energon mirage when he got damaged. due to energon shockwave's bad leadership on that field mission in that energon cartoon episode.

 

As far as generation one Omega supreme goes. I'd say he'd die if one of his components got destroyed. because he's too old,ancient & rusty to handle any type of reformating or scanning a new alt mode & haing it work properly.

 

Generation one optimus Prime doesn't need his trailer nor roller. optimus just uses them as emergency repair systems & to transport others back & forth. in the marvel TF g-1 Comic optimus was seen in various issues without his trailer. Optimus got a newer powermaster trailer in generation one.

[Goktimus Prime]

Yeah, with many of these multiple component Transformers there's usually one "brain" unit which is the critical component.

 

As for the original Optimus Prime...

From his original tech specs:

"Splits into three autonomous modules: 1) Optimus Prime... the brain centre known as the Commander; 2) Roller, the Autobot scout car... a spy who operates up to 1931km away; and 3) Autobot Headquarters... the combat deck equipped with a versatile mechanic/artillery robot. Injury to one is felt by the other two."

From the G1 TFU profile:

"The Optimus module is the robotic sentient being that is the storehouse of his vast knowledge and strength."

"...the Optimus module is by far the most important component of the trio. Although he could survive without the other two, they could not survive without him."

 

With combiners,If one or a few of them died or got extensive battle damage. they'll build newer individual combiner team members.

It is possible to still form a gestalt with a dead component, although the gestalt robot itself suffers from reduced physical attributes like speed, dexterity, mobility etc.

 

or draft a existing transformer into their combiner group & re-design him to be a combiner. the main problem is the combining training he'd need to go thru & complete. also the newer combiner team members mind/spark & how he'd change the gestalt's mind/persona.

Some gestalt teams do have "spare" members who are already designed to combine with the team and can replace a member, e.g. Deathcobra.

 

With the 1980's pretender. the inner robots can exist without the pretender shells. the pretender shells are just remote controlled suits of armor that protect & enhance the transformers fighting powers,strenght,height,bulk & fire power. the pretender shells are also their to disguise the transformer.

They also added personal reinforcements with their remote control. :) The downside is that any damage dealt to the shell is felt by its owner, but only even more intensely. Destroying the shell will make its owner pass out. As for disguise... this occurred more in Japanese continuity where the Pretenders are able to mass-shift and shrink themselves down to human size. In Anglophone continuity Pretenders never had this ability and so we rarely saw Pretenders using their shells as robots in disguise unless they happened to be on a world inhabited by giant humans (e.g. Femax, Pz'Zazz).

 

as far as the duo-cons,duo-bots & trio-cons/bots goes. it's based on a individual circumstance. sky can do just fine without lynx & vice versa. if one dies,they just had to get different alt modes. the duocons & magmatron will die die or won't be able to combine,as it appears that have singular spark divided up into different components. tidalwave who's a trio Combiner got reformated into energon mirage when he got damaged. due to energon shockwave's bad leadership on that field mission in that energon cartoon episode.

I'd say it'd be much like Optimus Prime -- whichever component houses the "brain" would be the most pivotal... so my guess is the head component. So Battletrap could survive if the camper truck component were destroyed, but not if the helicopter were destroyed. Likewise Flywheels could survive as only the jet, but the tank would also perish if the jet were destroyed etc.

 

Sky Lynx is a trickier one because both components have heads and there's a lack of canonical evidence to suggest anything.

 

As far as generation one Omega supreme goes. I'd say he'd die if one of his components got destroyed. because he's too old,ancient & rusty to handle any type of reformating or scanning a new alt mode & haing it work properly.

Old?? In the G1 comics Omega Supreme was constructed on Earth by Grapple - making him one of the younger Autobots. In the G1 cartoon he was created on Cybertron, but so were most Autobots and Decepticons. Was it because he was around before the war started? So were quite a few Transformers, including Optimus Prime (as Orion Pax). Also, the concept of "reformatting" or "transcanning" are new concepts that didn't exist in G1. Transformers were physically reconstructed to have new alt modes, such as when Auntie and Teletraan I rebuilt the occupants of the Ark. Either way, I don't see any canonical evidence that suggests that Omega Supreme couldn't handle being rebuilt with a new alt mode. He's not like say, Emirate Xaaron - where canon has explicitly stated that he has become physically unable to transform into his tank mode ever again (and attempting to do so may kill him.

 

I'd say that Omega Supreme can survive so long as his head's in tact. Destroy the rocket? He becomes an amputee, but hardly fatal. Unless you wanna tell me that destroying one of his little yellow clips is gonna kill him. ;)

[Tripredacus]

For some reason I would think that Omega Supreme's spark is in his chest aka Tank part. But the episode where they disconnect Omega Supreme's head to keep him alive while his body is repaired causes a problem here.