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Hasbro's results have shown that sales of Transformers saw a MASSIVE jump since the live action movies came out. The TF franchise is now more popular than ever, so I don't see how Transformers has "ruined" the franchise.

 

 

This. Did I love ROTF? Not really, and honestly I only thought TF1 was "good". But what these movies are doing to keep the fandom going by creating interest for people that didn't even know what transformers were before this, I appreciate that.

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Then hire Zack Snyder. Every movie he has ever made has been based on a book/graphic novel and they've all been incredibly faithful (especially in the cases of 300 and Watchmen). Even when certain elements may not transfer well to the big screen, he does it regardless. His new movie is the first one not based on anything (see my sig) lol. I saw that trailer and my heart stopped. The same thing happened with 300 and Watchmen.

 

 

Just left you a message on that Breaker! This has to be the ...BEST MOVIE EVER!!! Cannot wait to see this thing! It looks sooo bad assed my face just melted watching it! Thanks for the link! ^_^

 

 

I loved both movies. There I said it. That being said, as much as people gripe over all the films, I saw no problems with using Shia and Megan to promote the movies at all and think that anything that will draw people into the movies (and not just us fans) is better for the franchise!

 

I still would love to see a whole CGI movie done that would encapsulate "Wars for Cybertron" or "Beast Machines" complete with toon shading and all to tell the story. I mean Activision and Mainframe has done all the modeling and rigging so the worlds are created and textured. Maybe a few more robots could be modeled and told from a darker place. I'd love for more of Vector Sigma to be explained and if it goes to become more expensive, why not get Cameron dollars into it? ...But then again with Spielberg and Lucas (ILM) behind this already I'm sure that Spielberg would think that a whole story done on Cybertron sans the human factor would be interesting.

 

 

By the way, how much did it take to create TMNNT? I'm pretty sure that a Transformers CGI movie couldn't be more expensive than that and it had a good following.

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a)i'd make all cg. enough with these hollywood dorks. the tech is already there and a full cg tf movie is possible.

 

Well if you had a budget to rival Avatar, then that'd work. Otherwise compositing with live action would be a lot cheaper. As much as Michael Bay loves to brag about how he uses minimal CGI, the fact is that pyrotechnics is a helluva lot cheaper than recreating the same effects on computer.

 

 

wasn't star wars done mainly with cg? and if james camoron directed the tf movies they'd been better.

 

c)why can't the movie start on or just be on cybertron start off with how the tf's started, why it sucks to be a autobot. why megatron started what he did. have the end of the movie be on earth... BAM automatic sequel.

 

The first movie did start in space with the AllSpark cube floating through space with the narrative explaining the history of the Transformers' war. Scenes of Cybertron were later shown with the flashbacks. Showing too much screen time on Cybertron would detract from the primary story -- having in prologues and flashbacks is sufficient in most cases. Remember that one of the biggest strengths of the live action movies is that it has widespread appeal to a general audience. A lot of people enjoyed the films (especially TF1) even if they're not TF fans. Some people even became TF fans after watching the film.

 

so the idea of a movie just based on robots isn't appealing to the masses??

 

d)i swear that if some pre-teenager is the saviour again i'm gonna scream!! if some kid is there why aren't his dad or mom there too? i don't mind the spike/sparkplug like g1 had. sparkplug was around he was involved with what his son spike (or buster) was doing.

 

The Autobots were trying to minimise their interaction with humans, which actually makes more sense than having them tag along as "buddies" like in G1 (especially Daniel Witwicky *shudder*). Sam was only involved because he put himself in danger by attracting Decepticon attention when he auction Archie Witwicky's glasses on eBay - thus Bumblebee was assigned to be his guardian. It wasn't necessary to involve his parents so they kept it covert - their initial plan was to keep Sam out of harm's way and acquire the glasses for themselves (because that's all the Decepticons really wanted in the first place). A series of events then led the Autobots to become involved with Sector Seven, and thus eventually forged an alliance with the humans. But even in ROTF human-Autobot interaction is still primarily limited to specialist members of the military (NEST). Sam was allowed to try to live his own life, although the Autobots had to intervene again when he became targetted by Decepticons after having downloaded information from the AllSpark fragment.

 

At least movie writers are trying to come up with plausible reasons to involve humans as opposed to just, "Hey let's just hang out!"

 

 

if it were just the military guys then it would make more sense... some teenager saving the world is lame.

 

e)we don't need to add new characters. tf history already has a ton of characters with different backgrounds.

 

What new characters? Other than Alice, Reedman and the Doctor (who's arguably similar to Magnificus), all the Transformers in the films come from G1 or G2. I don't like how Jolt and Mudflap were Autobots though (they were originally Decepticons) - but they're not entirely "new" characters.

 

 

i suppose i should refine this to the characters personality being dumbed down. sorry... ie tf2 movie wheelie, mudflap, skids.

 

f)if the movies are good... i would have more that just a trilogy. i'd got the route of those horrible/demonic harry potter films and bring a new one out every two years

 

So are you going to watch Dark of the Moon? If I hated the first two movies as passionately as you appear to, I would personally boycott the 3rd. I don't hate them, so I'll see DotM. :) ROTF has a considerable amount of flaws, but I enjoyed it. TF1 wasn't perfect, but it did capture the spirit of the G1 cartoon quite well.

 

 

i will not be seeing dotm. i feel like bay has completely gone past anyway of saving this trilogy he's made. it's like the ewoks all over again.

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Then hire Zack Snyder. Every movie he has ever made has been based on a book/graphic novel and they've all been incredibly faithful (especially in the cases of 300 and Watchmen). Even when certain elements may not transfer well to the big screen, he does it regardless. His new movie is the first one not based on anything (see my sig) lol. I saw that trailer and my heart stopped. The same thing happened with 300 and Watchmen.

 

 

Just left you a message on that Breaker! This has to be the ...BEST MOVIE EVER!!! Cannot wait to see this thing! It looks sooo bad assed my face just melted watching it! Thanks for the link! ^_^

 

 

I loved both movies. There I said it. That being said, as much as people gripe over all the films, I saw no problems with using Shia and Megan to promote the movies at all and think that anything that will draw people into the movies (and not just us fans) is better for the franchise!

 

I still would love to see a whole CGI movie done that would encapsulate "Wars for Cybertron" or "Beast Machines" complete with toon shading and all to tell the story. I mean Activision and Mainframe has done all the modeling and rigging so the worlds are created and textured. Maybe a few more robots could be modeled and told from a darker place. I'd love for more of Vector Sigma to be explained and if it goes to become more expensive, why not get Cameron dollars into it? ...But then again with Spielberg and Lucas (ILM) behind this already I'm sure that Spielberg would think that a whole story done on Cybertron sans the human factor would be interesting.

 

 

By the way, how much did it take to create TMNNT? I'm pretty sure that a Transformers CGI movie couldn't be more expensive than that and it had a good following.

 

According to IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0453556/) TMNT's estimated budget was $34,000,000. Imagi's follow up, Astro Boy was $40,000,000 (again, estimated.)

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34 mil is chump change in the movie industry these days.

 

And on the whole "Oh yeah ROTF was bad, even tho I defended the shit out of it just a year ago" thing: CAPTAIN HINDSIGHT TO THE RESCUE!!!

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if james camoron directed the tf movies they'd been better.

I agree that Michael Bay isn't the best director for Transformers. I don't think he's "ruined" the franchise, but the movies certainly would've been better in the hands of a director who actually CARED more about Transformers. And I think that's one big thing that's holding Michael Bay back from making these movies better... he just doesn't care enough. This is a man who has openly admitted that when Spielberg called him up to offer him the chance to direct Transformers, he HUNG UP on him and thought, "Ppfftt! I'm not directing that!" -- Spielberg and Hasbro had to coerce him (including Hasbro giving him a full briefing on Transformers) in order to convince him to come aboard. Quite frankly, the moment he hung up on Spielberg should have been the moment to find a new director.

 

The single biggest thing that bugs me with Spielberg's approach to Transformers is that he doesn't treat most of them as CHARACTERS enough... a lot of the Transformers, especially the Decepticons, are treated as set pieces and/or 'monster robots from space,' rather than characters that the audience can emotionally invest in. I realise that in the short span of a movie you can't delve into every single character, but there just isn't the effort there. One thing that made characters like Yoda and E.T. so successful was that the audience cared about them, even though they were alien puppets. The first movie did alright in this department -- Bumblebee was a lot like E.T. and Sam was kinda like Elliot and became the audience's emotional anchor point. But I felt that they lost this in ROTF.

 

if it were just the military guys then it would make more sense... some teenager saving the world is lame.

Yeah but Joe and Jane Average aren't going to 'relate' to a soldier as much as they would to a civilian. I'm not saying that your idea is bad, in fact, I think there's a lot of merit to it. I think one thing that hurt the last War of the Worlds remake was having the main character being a civilian, whereas in the original book it was a scientist and a soldier (and thus they were able to access more information about the pods and aliens). And we did get to see things through soldier's eyes, particularly through Lennox. If anything, I think there's too much focus on the military. A lot of ROTF felt like a movie about the army rather than about Transformers. :/

 

i suppose i should refine this to the characters personality being dumbed down. sorry... ie tf2 movie wheelie, mudflap, skids.

Yes, I agree with this. Those Transformers are just caricatures, NOT characters. Bay needs to treat the Transformers as characters.

 

i will not be seeing dotm. i feel like bay has completely gone past anyway of saving this trilogy he's made. it's like the ewoks all over again.

Fair enough. I can respect that you're sticking by your guns and boycotting DotM based on your disdain for the first two movies. I just find it strange when people whinge about the movies, but then they'll still pay to watch the next one!

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i will not be seeing dotm. i feel like bay has completely gone past anyway of saving this trilogy he's made. it's like the ewoks all over again.

Fair enough. I can respect that you're sticking by your guns and boycotting DotM based on your disdain for the first two movies. I just find it strange when people whinge about the movies, but then they'll still pay to watch the next one!

 

the first was meh... i saw the second hoping that bay learned from the first one realizing that there is a very big fanbase and this isn't some let's just blow this up type thing. too much credit to him and my mistake. so i decided not to see the third from my experience.

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The first movie does capture the core spirit of the G1 cartoon quite well and wasn't loaded with as many useless moments and pointless immature humour. The G1 cartoon was always a fairly shallow story -- the G1 Marvel Comics were generally much superior. But I suppose the G1 cartoon is more familiar to non-fans so they decided to run with that for the first movie. Then when the title of the 2nd movie came out with "Revenge of the Fallen," - I thought, cool... they're actually using a comic character as a primary villain. I immediately thought that this must mean that the 2nd movie would be more heavily based on the comics books and got really hyped and excited. Boy was I let down. (-_-)

 

I honestly think Bay's biggest flaw in terms of making the TF films is that his heart just isn't that into it. He's dedicated enough to make them very good popcorn flicks that will draw masses to the cinemas and make lots of money at the box office, which is arguably all studio execs care about (profit-making over art). The TF movies would be far better IMO if he just cared more.

 

Now I know George Lucas cops a lot of flak about the prequel trilogy for Star Wars, but despite what you may think of those films, Lucas DOES care about Star Wars. The whole story about Anakin Skywalker and the Clone Wars was something Lucas had envisaged back in the 1970s while he was writing Episode IV (hence why it makes references to prequel events and also why the first SW movie was ultimately called "Episode IV" and not "Episode I"). Yeah he made some mistakes, but there were signs that he tried to improve on them as he went along. For example:

+ The amount of dialogue and screen time for Jar Jar Binks was significantly reduced in Episode II and in Ep III he was only seen briefly at Padmé Amidala's funeral and had NO dialogue.

+ He enlisted an assistant writer for Ep II (can you imagine Bay sharing his directing role with an assistant director? He is notoriously bossy and controlling)

+ He sought the advice of a former military special ops guy (I think ex Navy SEAL) to help choreograph the animation for the Clone Troopers. In Ep II the Clones were all animated by animators who had no idea how soldiers should move on a battlefield, hence why you see them casually strolling across Geanosia shooting away at droids - but in Episode III you actually see them move more like actual soldiers with rifles raised to their eyeline (instead of being held at the hip), tighter more side-on postures (to make them harder targets to shoot at) etc. In Ep II when a Clone was shot the others just ignored it and kept fighting, whereas in Ep III you see a Clone being shot and another Clone immediately attends to him and hollers for a medic.

 

The Star Wars prequels aren't perfect, but you can see improvements in them as they progressed. And when you listen to interviews with Lucas you can hear that he really does care about Star Wars. You listen to Michael Bay during interviews - you can tell he cares about the movie succeeding and making a profitable film, but I don't sense that he actually cares about Transformers itself. We know he initially didn't - Bay has openly confessed this when he talked about hanging up on Spielberg and his reaction to what he considered to be a stupid proposal.

 

I will say he's pretty good with fans though - when I met him at the TF1 Sydney Premiere (June 16, 2007) he was really nice and stopped to sign autographs, unlike Megan Fox who didn't give any fans the time of day. Rachael Taylor was really nice too. But yeah, as a director I think he could do better with Transformers if he just gave a rat's arse about making GOOD cinematographic stories.

 

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I'd rather see the Transformers continue as CGI Animated films. Transformers Prime is a great example of what could be. I'd be happy if they took a break and waited at least 10 years before they tried a reboot. I don't hate the Transformers films, actually like them very much. Hell, I even like RoTF which I hated the first time I saw it has grown on me after multiple viewings over the last year and a half. I look forward to Dark of the Moon, and who knows where the live action series will go. Just cause it may be Bay's last Transformers movie, doesn't mean its the last Live action film in this series. Someone else could always continue on and do another trilogy using the same characters. Bay love him or hate him, reintroduced Transformers to the masses, in a way not seen since the mid 80s. I firmly believe that without the success of Bay's films, we wouldn't be seeing the awesome figures and lines which have come out over the last few years.

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I wouldn't mind a round of CGI animated films. As long as they aren't as terrible as that SW Clone Wars movie that made it to theaters. I realize I may be in the minority on this one, but I hated that, and I really don't like the series either. But Prime is good, so I don't see why I wouldn't give it a shot.

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