I was so and When I looked a blackout and starscream. I wish they would have been alot bigger because they are greatly dwarfed by ironhide and ratchet plus not to mention some deluxes are their size and some even bigger!

They have all this wasted space inside the box that they could add a few inches on starscream (about 3 or 4) and get rid of blackout's spinning rotors so the full tail of his helicopter mode would add some height on his legs (not just hang on his back, which I DESPISE on transformers)

I hope they make a leader class starscream with actual hands and not just giant launches which look like his jet thrusters that should be on his back. I hope the constructicons are all voyagers and/or leaders depending on their size. devastator has got to be huge having 7 (weren't there 6?) robots forming into him, and longhaul's concept art makes him look like the size of bonecrusher (who should have been a leader) Jetfire should also be a leader. scratch that, a supreme! sr71-blackbirds are freaking huge!

Scale is a constant source of and for some fans. And it always will be.

In-scale figures does not make good business sense for Hasbro, because kids can't always afford the largest toys, even though they'd greatly desire the largest characters.

true unfortunatley. Maybe they would do a multi figure pack of the construticons. that would be cool.

*looks up at the sky looking for flying pigs, doesn't see any

Darn

i'd pay big bucks for a line of in-scale movie toys

Same here. And more detailed.

I'm totally a scale whore which dates back to my model building hobby, and would love to see in-scale toys.

However...

If you were to choose the Autobots' scale, which is roughly 1/32, the Starscream and Blackout toys would have been 60cm (23") and 70cm (27") in vehicle modes, respectively. Conversely if you'd stuck with the larger Decepticons' scale, about 1/90, the Autobots and Barricade would be smaller than Legends class. Neither of them is really practical from a standpoint of selling toys.

Of course, you could pick, say, Deluxe Brawl as your scale at about 1/60, which would make Starscream and Blackout about a foot long in vehicle mode and the Autobots each about half their current size. Still not great from a toy selling standpoint but it would be theoretically doable. But as a business the customer base cares a lot more about price and playability than scale.

Even though I still think it would be cool.

I too am a bit of a freak for scale, too, but I've never held out any hope for a TF line to be in-scale with itself. I did find some joy in setting up the Movie Legends with Blackout and Starscream, along with the Classics Jets. I've got pics somewhere.

I don't usually set up "scenes" with my TFs, no space for that, so I just keep them grouped by character, so scale isn't really an issue.

I disagree with Starscream being dwarfed by Ironhide and Ratchet. I find that all three are about the same size. (though, Ratchet is slightly taller) Would it have been nice if Hasbro would have made the figures in scale with each other? Probably. Would they do it? No. It's simply too costly for Hasbro to do it, and it likely wouldn't be very profitable for them. Essentially, most figures past Deluxe or Voyager at best, usually end up as shelfwarmers. Most people would rather get the smaller, cheaper figures than the larger, more expensive ones.

Not another scale topic. It will never happen, Alternators is as close as we will ever get for vehicle scale. Me I'm happy with the figure I get, I don't mind if the scale is off.

Gotta agree with you I'mbatman. Alternators was pretty cool. cept some of them kept falling apart. Does anyone know a fix for Alternators prime? his legs are too long so the don't completely attach to the front of the truck. You too DetectiveBarricade have a good point. Hopefully some cheap ass low income knockoff dollarstore toy company would take a starscream mold and make it extremely large ROFl.

But then it'd fall apart straight out of the package... As for an Alterantors Prime fix, with all of the mold's apparent problems, angrily chuck into disposal unit, better known as the garbage!

Transformers has never been in scale with itself.. you do know that right. G1, Beast Wars.. the movie visually was in scale with itself. But when you actually get around to making to toys for it.. it's a little hit and miss. CGI is like witchcraft when it comes to the movie, nearly impossible to translate it accurately.. (hence why screamer has missle fingers)

Super big figures end up with the fort max syndrome where they could crush babies. i think Supremes are as big as hasbro can go.

As someone who played with G1 toys, I learned to get over scale pretty quickly.

Superion was created to be the opponent of Menasor?

A guy composed of jets and a Concorde fighting a guy with puny cars for limbs? *squish*




*I'm also secretly laughing at how everyone gets all pissy about scale, and then pull a giant "WTF NOES!" when they made Powerglide a giant for Universe 2.0

You guys are looking for something that isn't "toys." You're looking for scale models. Not gonna happen, sorry. It's not like this keeps people from buying the things anyway.

*gets out G1 Blaster and Metroplex*

so long as the big guys are big and the small guys are small I dont mind them not all being 1:1

HINT: before posting any -filled rants, always search for the following terms because it may have already been covered:

"in scale"
"Botcon" + "Seekers" or "Exclusive"
"Hasbro" + "repaint"
"death of the line"
"raping my childhood"

I care about scale but not like obsess over it. I try to think of "mass shifting" lol but it doesn't work. I just hope for a really good starscream figure. I have seen jin saotome (Who is freaking awesome!) customs and one of them was a grey starscream with actual hands which was pretty sweet. I hope hasbro makes a leader class starscream. if the figures aren't correctly scaled, ill buy the right sized classes for all the characters.

one thing worse than people moaning about scale: people moaning about people moaning about scale & being so condescending about it AS IF WE DON'T KNOW IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN

i mean seriously people do you really think that saying omg geewun was out of scale / lol they'd have HUGE jets / they're toys you dummies is news? spoiler: we know

we're just saying a line for collectors with a standard scale would be nice okay so just get over it dudes

Oh no not the scale argument again...

I don't have room or enough dedication for a toy to accommodate a starscream to be in scale with bumble bee...it's just not going to happen. I'll take my voyagers please, thank you...

this is where the problem is...

nobody on the "pro-scale side" was arguing anything

As pointed out by Smooth Jazz, the Autobots (plus Barricade and Leader Brawl) are all reasonably in scale with each other, as are the Decepticons.

Solution: Keep each faction on a seperate shelf.

Agreed. I thought they did a pretty good job with the movie line all in all, with the exception of Bonecrusher being a deluxe.

Making TFs to scale would be cool, but is realy impractical, so I don't worry to much about it. What I do worry about is scale concerning character.

Stepping outside of Movie, take Sentinel Prime, he should have been bigger if for no other reason then "just 'cause". Same goes for Universe Galvatron.

Here's the kicker though, if they start making all the Jets and Tanks and Trucks and Cars to scale, nearly every figure would be Supreme, Leader, or Ultra, and still not quite right.

Top that with the fact that larger figures tend to warm shelves, and it just isn't going to happen, even though I agree that it would be awesome.

I do feel that Has/Tak should be more careful when assigning a class to a figure, but the argument of scale is realy utterly futile, so I don't tend to let it jade my enjoyment of the toys.

QC and likeness though, I'll complain over that when off the mark gladly!!!

scale bothers me but i'm realistic about it...

but the movie line (at a whopping 11 characters) should've been an exception for the on-screen dudes

Problem is, they'll only make the potentially most popular characters in the larger scales, unless said character just absolutely HAD to be huge (like Metroplex in Cyb/GF). So there was no way we'll ever see, for example, a Leader Animated Lugnut, the same way we never saw a Voyager or Leader Movie Bonecrusher.

I must admit, I wouldn't mind seeing them "to scale", either, but considering that the toys cannot transform the way the movie characters do, I'd prefer the robot modes to be to at least close to scale. That means, IMHO, resurrecting the Ultra size class - if we go by the first movie, IMHO it should have been like this:

Deluxe: Bumblebee, Jazz, Barricade (with Frenzy)

Voyager: Ratchet, Ironhide, Bonecrusher

Ultra: Starscream, Brawl (Devastator)

Leader: Prime (only for the toy sales), Megatron, Blackout (with Scorponok)

If you HAD to have a Transforming Scorponok and Frenzy, Minicon scale would be good. Seems the average Deluxe car is about 1:31 to 1:35, so the average human (or Frenzy) would end up the size of a Minicon.


HOWEVER... for Hasbro, popularity will be more important for determining toy scale than actual scale, so I guess we're just outta luck there.

we know all that we're just hoping

(but i don't see how doing the few movie characters would be that big a deal)

Why? If they only produced one or two size classes I would agree with you, but when you've got small, medium, large, and x-tra large to work with, why not just produce larger/smaller characters in the correct class, with possible exceptions for low-price alternatives (ie Voy and Lead Bulkhead)?

Wait, are you serious? You don't get this? Hasbro has set class sizes. These incorporate the cost of each figure made. If you start making character in actual scale you would have to bypass the class size. Each character could easily be his own class size. Also the size of some characters would be ludicrous. There is a vast difference between a 1:24 car and 1:24 jet. Hasbro also takes popularity into account when making a figure. What if an unpopular character ends up being the largest character in the line? It would be a pure wast of money. Then there's the argument of vehicle scale vs robot scale. They're not always the same. I just don't see scale as being practical.

Well I don't mean EXACTLY in mathematical scale with one another, obviously. Of course they have set classes. But why not just put characters into their appropriate size class? Animated has done a pretty good job of this, Sentinel Prime notwithstanding. Example: Leader Bulkhead, Voy Prime, and the other Dx Autobots are all roughly in scale with one another. It seems like a no-brainer, but maybe I'm oversimplifying things