Ultra Bumblemus
Sep 8 2008, 03:58 PM
Smith's Revenge: Gay Superman?
In an ironic bit of revenge, director Kevin Smith admitted to SCI FI Wire that he got a little bit of satisfaction by turning Superman Returns star Brandon Routh into a gay male porn star in his upcoming film Zack and Miri Make a Porno.
Science fiction fans may know that Smith 's dream project was to revive the Superman franchise right after his hit Chasing Amy in 1997 and that he wrote multiple versions of a script and hoped to direct the movie at one point. That never happened, and for a long time Smith was a bitter about it. Bryan Singer wound up helming 2006's Superman Returns, which starred Routh as the Man of Steel.
When it came time for Smith to cast the role of high-school heartthrob jock Bobby Long in Zack and Miri, Smith got a chance for his revenge.
Long comes to his reunion with his jealous male lover. Zack star Seth Rogen said during the casting process: "We need a real salt-of-the-earth type, someone like a Superman." Smith said, "Why don't we get the latest Superman?"
Speaking at the Toronto International Film Festival, Smith said that he wasn't sure Routh would take the role, which required the character to talk explicitly about sex before being outed as gay by his boyfriend, played by Justin Long. "I thought he'd never do it, but we asked him, and he totally loved it and did it," Smith said.
After shooting Routh's scenes, Smith asked Routh if the gay role would cause him problems in any upcoming Superman movies. "I did ask Brandon, of course, after we were done shooting, whether he had a morals clause in his contract that may prevent him from playing a role like this, and he said as long as he didn't play another superhero, Warner Brothers did not care."
Was this a way of Smith giving the finger to the studio? Smith smiled. "I guess I could kind of look at it that way, as if 'Here's my revenge!'" he said. "I think it was total coincidence, but it really works. Wouldn't that movie be awesome if Superman was out as gay?"
Smith said that he's not concerned about Warner's being insulted by his hiring Routh. "They don't care," he said. "They've got The Dark Knight."
Zack and Miri Make a Porno, which also stars Elizabeth Banks, Craig Robinson and Jason Mewes, is scheduled for release on Oct. 31. --Mike Szymanski
DarkNarcoleptic
Sep 8 2008, 04:39 PM
I don't know whether to call

or

....
JustLOKIPLVY
Sep 9 2008, 02:51 PM
Would WB ever be pissed if Smith ever got TDK's Christian Bale in a movie.
Oh and I'm of the belief now Kevin Smith could have done a better job reviving Superman than Brian Singer did.
trench
Sep 9 2008, 02:56 PM
While Singer's devotion to the Donner vision of Superman was admirable, I don't think it was the best idea for jump-starting a moribund movie franchise.
DarkNarcoleptic
Sep 9 2008, 03:26 PM
QUOTE (trench @ Sep 9 2008, 05:56 PM)

While Singer's devotion to the Donner vision of Superman was admirable, I don't think it was the best idea for jump-starting a moribund movie franchise.
That's the understatement of the century
Lord Madhammer
Sep 9 2008, 04:11 PM
I thought Superman *was* gay...
DarkNarcoleptic
Sep 9 2008, 06:22 PM

Somebody shaaaaave meeeee
Lord Madhammer
Sep 9 2008, 07:57 PM
*lingers outside ex-girlfriend's window*
Cool Hand Lube
Sep 9 2008, 09:19 PM
Faster than a gay man running to the front row of a Clay Aiken concert! More powerful than the allure of a men's underwear sale at Barney's!
FREEFALLL666
Sep 10 2008, 02:56 AM
Prime-Collector
Sep 10 2008, 06:51 AM
I thought every character in Superman Returns was written as if they were a homosexual male, including Lois.
Not that there's anything wrong with homosexual males but I'm fairly certain that the earth (and probably Krypton as well) are not ENTIRELY populated by them.
Haggisjin
Sep 10 2008, 06:53 AM
Why not? This board is.
DarkNarcoleptic
Sep 10 2008, 08:29 AM
*spits on kryptonite*
Cool Hand Lube
Sep 10 2008, 08:31 AM
IRL

to the last 3 posts
EDIT: But seriously, Superman is MASSIVELY ghey.
Haggisjin
Sep 10 2008, 08:38 AM
To be fair, I'd be scared of screwing chicks too if everytime I blew my load it had the literal force of a shotgun blast.
DarkNarcoleptic
Sep 10 2008, 08:40 AM
QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Sep 10 2008, 11:38 AM)

To be fair, I'd be scared of screwing chicks too if everytime I blew my load it had the literal force of a shotgun blast.
He'd have to wear a kryptonite condom, which would of course, kill him.
Jerrod
Sep 10 2008, 08:44 AM
QUOTE (( . Y . ) @ Sep 10 2008, 11:40 AM)

QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Sep 10 2008, 11:38 AM)

To be fair, I'd be scared of screwing chicks too if everytime I blew my load it had the literal force of a shotgun blast.
He'd have to wear a kryptonite condom, which would of course, kill him.
I think you oughtta get him some help. He seems to be hung up on superheroes sex organs.
Haggisjin
Sep 10 2008, 08:45 AM
Shit man, talk about your tough decisions.
Cool Hand Lube
Sep 10 2008, 08:49 AM
Hmmmmmm, sex & death, or life and chastity.
Or you could just screw hookers because no one will ever miss them.
Haggisjin
Sep 10 2008, 08:51 AM
The shallow graves of America's highways agree with you.
Cool Hand Lube
Sep 10 2008, 08:54 AM
*has buried a hooker or 12 in his day*
Haggisjin
Sep 10 2008, 09:32 AM
I'm always amazed at the new lows that we can hit.
SMITHSQUARED
Sep 10 2008, 09:34 AM
QUOTE (trench @ Sep 9 2008, 06:56 PM)

While Singer's devotion to the Donner vision of Superman was admirable, I don't think it was the best idea for jump-starting a moribund movie franchise.
you say that like the franchise was salvagable
G.A.S.H.
Sep 10 2008, 09:45 AM

Oh, and
this...
Lord Madhammer
Sep 10 2008, 09:51 AM
QUOTE (SMITHSQUARED @ Sep 10 2008, 12:34 PM)

QUOTE (trench @ Sep 9 2008, 06:56 PM)

While Singer's devotion to the Donner vision of Superman was admirable, I don't think it was the best idea for jump-starting a moribund movie franchise.
you say that like the franchise was salvagable
Seriously....
IMO Superman works as a nigh-invincible protector of justice and liberty and such, but it doesn't make for a very interesting character. I mean, the guy's basically Daddy in a blue and red costume. You take that away and humanize him, and he fails.
Cool Hand Lube
Sep 10 2008, 09:55 AM
QUOTE (G.A.S.H. @ Sep 10 2008, 10:45 AM)


Oh, and
this... 
Wow. That site makes me sick. It also makes me sad because all those folks probably vote, and they ain't voting for my candidate.
Lord Madhammer
Sep 10 2008, 09:57 AM
QUOTE (Cool Hand Lube @ Sep 10 2008, 12:55 PM)

QUOTE (G.A.S.H. @ Sep 10 2008, 10:45 AM)


Oh, and
this... 
Wow. That site makes me sick. It also makes me sad because all those folks probably vote, and they ain't voting for my candidate.
Landover Baptist is a satire site. Never fear.
though sadly it IS very easy to confuse it with the real thing
Cool Hand Lube
Sep 10 2008, 09:59 AM
*phew*
DarkNarcoleptic
Sep 10 2008, 11:12 AM
Oh man, their list of smileys must be GREAT.
trench
Sep 10 2008, 11:21 AM
QUOTE (Lord Madhammer @ Sep 10 2008, 10:51 AM)

QUOTE (SMITHSQUARED @ Sep 10 2008, 12:34 PM)

QUOTE (trench @ Sep 9 2008, 06:56 PM)

While Singer's devotion to the Donner vision of Superman was admirable, I don't think it was the best idea for jump-starting a moribund movie franchise.
you say that like the franchise was salvagable
Seriously....
IMO Superman works as a nigh-invincible protector of justice and liberty and such, but it doesn't make for a very interesting character. I mean, the guy's basically Daddy in a blue and red costume. You take that away and humanize him, and he fails.
Perhaps that's why Superman should just be a kid's property.
However, I think Superman can be revived as a movie property by taking an alternate tack to a Nolanesque "grounded in reality" type of story, by instead using a much more science-fiction approach, which can allow the use of more powerful villians such as Darkseid, who
are a threat to Superman. I'm also thinking that the "For Tomorrow" story line could also be adapted into an intersting movie that would have better adult appeal.
FREEFALLL666
Sep 10 2008, 11:26 AM
QUOTE (Jerrod @ Sep 10 2008, 09:44 AM)

QUOTE (( . Y . ) @ Sep 10 2008, 11:40 AM)

QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Sep 10 2008, 11:38 AM)

To be fair, I'd be scared of screwing chicks too if everytime I blew my load it had the literal force of a shotgun blast.
He'd have to wear a kryptonite condom, which would of course, kill him.
I think you oughtta get him some help. He seems to be hung up on superheroes sex organs.
Well in all honesty, I think I would be more worried if he had a hang up on their feet/hair....
Bestimus Mucho
Sep 10 2008, 04:57 PM
I tried to read the Landover TOS, It's ROFL... well the parts I read anyway.
They seem like a nice stable church, but as a life long Sub-genius, I just can't see myself converting.
hail Bob... I needs me some slack.
Lord Madhammer
Sep 10 2008, 05:47 PM
QUOTE (trench @ Sep 10 2008, 02:21 PM)

QUOTE (Lord Madhammer @ Sep 10 2008, 10:51 AM)

QUOTE (SMITHSQUARED @ Sep 10 2008, 12:34 PM)

QUOTE (trench @ Sep 9 2008, 06:56 PM)

While Singer's devotion to the Donner vision of Superman was admirable, I don't think it was the best idea for jump-starting a moribund movie franchise.
you say that like the franchise was salvagable
Seriously....
IMO Superman works as a nigh-invincible protector of justice and liberty and such, but it doesn't make for a very interesting character. I mean, the guy's basically Daddy in a blue and red costume. You take that away and humanize him, and he fails.
Perhaps that's why Superman should just be a kid's property.
However, I think Superman can be revived as a movie property by taking an alternate tack to a Nolanesque "grounded in reality" type of story, by instead using a much more science-fiction approach, which can allow the use of more powerful villians such as Darkseid, who
are a threat to Superman. I'm also thinking that the "For Tomorrow" story line could also be adapted into an intersting movie that would have better adult appeal.
Sure, you *could* do all of that, but it would run into the "why" barrier pretty fast IMO. Is it necessary to prove that every single superhero ever can survive the transition to modern film adaptation? Of course, from WB's / DC's point of view there's money to be made, but besides that, I mean.
SMITHSQUARED
Sep 11 2008, 12:26 AM
something something superman something something jesus
FREEFALLL666
Sep 11 2008, 01:18 AM
QUOTE (Lord Madhammer @ Sep 10 2008, 10:57 AM)

QUOTE (Cool Hand Lube @ Sep 10 2008, 12:55 PM)

QUOTE (G.A.S.H. @ Sep 10 2008, 10:45 AM)


Oh, and
this... 
Wow. That site makes me sick. It also makes me sad because all those folks probably vote, and they ain't voting for my candidate.
Landover Baptist is a satire site. Never fear.
though sadly it IS very easy to confuse it with the real thing
First clue for me was this "Straight 4 Jesus! (Back Door Christians) At LBC, we will cure your perversion of choice (even if we have to stone you)." at the top of the page...
Lord Madhammer
Sep 11 2008, 04:31 AM
QUOTE (SMITHSQUARED @ Sep 11 2008, 03:26 AM)

something something superman something something jesus
I've had enough American Jesus thx
Bestimus Mucho
Sep 11 2008, 06:04 AM
QUOTE (Lord Madhammer @ Sep 11 2008, 08:31 AM)

QUOTE (SMITHSQUARED @ Sep 11 2008, 03:26 AM)

something something superman something something jesus
I've had enough American Jesus thx
SMITHSQUARED
Sep 11 2008, 06:13 AM
that is the most wtf pic i have seen all day, and i have been up since 3am
Bestimus Mucho
Sep 11 2008, 06:19 AM
It's the cover to Bad Religion's single of American Jesus.
Lord Madhammer
Sep 11 2008, 07:07 AM
dude I think she's grabbing his schlong
SMITHSQUARED
Sep 11 2008, 08:58 AM
i am sure she is, but i dont consider popular media NSFW
Cool Hand Lube
Sep 11 2008, 08:58 AM
Wouldn't you? Jesus is all that is man if that picture is anything to go by...
trench
Sep 11 2008, 11:38 AM
Roffles to Jebus' beer gut.
QUOTE (Lord Madhammer @ Sep 10 2008, 06:47 PM)

Of course, from WB's / DC's point of view there's money to be made, but besides that, I mean.
That's kind of where I was coming from...
Although, I was thinking of this topic this morning before work and I think one of the reasons I like Smallville so much is that the journey to Clark Kent becoming Superman
might just be more interesting than the final destination.
Lord Madhammer
Sep 11 2008, 11:44 AM
QUOTE (trench @ Sep 11 2008, 02:38 PM)

Roffles to Jebus' beer gut.
QUOTE (Lord Madhammer @ Sep 10 2008, 06:47 PM)

Of course, from WB's / DC's point of view there's money to be made, but besides that, I mean.
That's kind of where I was coming from...
Although, I was thinking of this topic this morning before work and I think one of the reasons I like Smallville so much is that the journey to Clark Kent becoming Superman
might just be more interesting than the final destination.
I totally agree. The guy has a character arc all of a sudden. Superman isn't a character, it's a state of existence for Kal-El or Clark Kent or whoever the hell you want to call him.
Not saying that Smallville has always been the
best example, though....
trench
Sep 11 2008, 12:09 PM
QUOTE (Lord Madhammer @ Sep 11 2008, 12:44 PM)

QUOTE (trench @ Sep 11 2008, 02:38 PM)

Although, I was thinking of this topic this morning before work and I think one of the reasons I like Smallville so much is that the journey to Clark Kent becoming Superman might just be more interesting than the final destination.
I totally agree. The guy has a character arc all of a sudden. Superman isn't a character, it's a state of existence for Kal-El or Clark Kent or whoever the hell you want to call him.
Not saying that Smallville has always been the
best example, though....
Smallville would have been much better off as a pre-envisioned, five season story arc...
Cool Hand Lube
Sep 11 2008, 12:10 PM
Or if it didn't have the ghey-ass theme song.
Lord Madhammer
Sep 11 2008, 12:11 PM
QUOTE (Cool Hand Lube @ Sep 11 2008, 03:10 PM)

Or if it didn't have the ghey-ass theme song.
<_<
*hides soundtrack album*
*both of them*
Cool Hand Lube
Sep 11 2008, 12:15 PM
OMFG, Pete has caught the ghey!!!
Lord Madhammer
Sep 11 2008, 12:17 PM
QUOTE (Cool Hand Lube @ Sep 11 2008, 03:15 PM)

OMFG, Pete has caught the ghey!!!
Dude, that's nothing. You should see my CD collection. It looks like I raided Hunter's gift basket.
G.A.S.H.
Sep 11 2008, 12:18 PM
*Hides Golden Hum*
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