Anyone go see it yet?

lol, I guess you missed the entire internet shitting on it.

I'm trying to ignore the cries of anguish in hopes of possibly enjoying the movie a little.

*sigh*

This weekend we were standing in line to get tickets to Dark Knight (which was sold out, thank goodness for internets tickets) and I noticed a couple of Imperial denizens standing in the lobby. A couple of Stormtroopers, a TIE Pilot and the like. They, strangely, all shared the prototypical "geek physique," which caused my wife to quip "Aren't you a little fat for a Stormtrooper?"

That's the saddest thing ever. I mean, it's one thing to geek out for a prequel release, but this is just some cartoon thing that they're tossing into the theaters. (pun intended)

And yes it is horribly pitiful, from everything I've heard. If you want to see an annoying Nickelodeon/CN-style cartoon that happens to have lightsabers, then go for it. Otherwise, save your dignity and go watch ANH or something.

If this helps, here's the box office takes for the weekend:

1) Tropic Thunder - $26M

2) The Dark Knight - $16.8M

3) Clone Wars - $15.5.M

I'm not a Star Wars fan to begin with, but I thought the original motion picture was underwhelming. And didn't they already have this animated on Cartoon Network like 2yrs ago?

This leaves me wondering

My SW geek friend, who reads all the expanded universe crap and loves it, went (of course) to see Clone Wars at midnight opening night. This is the guy who wears only Star Wars T-shirts, spends $10,000/YEAR on SW toys and crap/memorabilia, and is all...about...STAR WARS and STAR WARS only.

His exact comments?

Meh

Honestly, at this point I find almost everything they do with the SW franchise just seems to ruin even the original for me.

It has to be the most popular franchise ever, and it's been run into the ground far worse than anything Parmount did to Star Trek.

It's such a huge, potentially interesting universe with which they could do so much, but Lucas is unnaturally fixated on the same twelve characters and two concepts. Hey, here's an idea. Maybe if you used characters who's fates we didn't already know, there'd be at least me a semblance of peril instead of a shugging of the shoulders.

* sigh *

Although, I guess we get to look forward to Anakin's padiwan biting it somewhere along the way...



Oh, who am I kidding, she'll be digitally added to RotS, and then the original trilogy somewhere along the line.

* double sigh *

It was a nice actiony romp that happened to take place in the Star Wars universe. Not what I was expecting, but not terribly disappointing, either.

Can't I have just a little bit of peril?

And yes I agree 10000000000%, this is ruining the original for me, to say nothing of the man's legacy.

Lame. The existence of something crappy featuring Character X doesn't (and shouldn't) diminish the value of something great (and that you loved) featuring Character X. That's fanboy whining.

Here's an idea: don't watch anything but the original!

But its got the name Star Wars attached to it, and its a theatrical release. It's not that easy to ignore. And I agree, if George Lucas keeps crapping out a bunch of turds and slapping a Star Wars label to them, it will only tarnish the reputation of the franchise.

Hey, that's a great idea! I'll just go watch the original OH WAIT I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE HE EVEN FUCKED THAT UP TOO

My point is that this isn't a voluntary response. I'm just getting so friggin sick of Star Wars that it makes me not care as much about ANYTHING with that name on it. Sorry if you think it's "lame."

OK

Not to argue with you, but you can buy the original version on DVD.



That is if you don't mind buying the Special Edition version too (which most Star Wars fans have already done...2 or three times. fucking George Lucas.)

Let's not go there because I might start talking about how the original release is just the 1993 Laserdisc master and it's not anamorphic widescreen and how that says everything that needs to be said about Lucas' utter contempt for his own legacy...

You know, the "original" still exists out there. Maybe not in the best available format, but if you are that hardcore and the <5 minutes of screentime (and <3 minutes of plot) that are altered just wig your shit that much, go dig up a VHS or that "special feature" DVD from a couple years ago (EDIT: as featured above) and just watch that exlusively.

And yeah, its lame. Get sick of the franchise, that's fine. But the awfulness of "Clone Wars" or anything else does in no way alter "A New Hope" or whatever.

I'm not sure what it's like now, but I'd be willing to bet that the original VHS copies are worth their weight in gold now...
If not a lot more.


My dads pissed that my sister lent them out a few years ago ^_^

I'm not sure that you're getting what I'm saying.


And P.S. you try watching ANH with all that extra bullshot Lucas added in. I think it did ruin the picture.

Heh, I tried to look for the THX widescreen VHS versions (I wanted the full screen versions when they first came out because I'm retarded) a couple of years ago and they were going for $100+.

I did get a bit distracted, I suppose, from the original point. But I think alot of people intermingle the legacy of the movies with the actual movies themselves, which I think is silly. After all, I can still watch "Wrath of Khan" and love it just as much as the first time I saw it, even after seeing (and hating) the continuity-be-damned "WoK" ripoff/hack job that was "Nemesis."

And the extra stuff in ANH doesn't bug me. I don't really like the Jabba scene, mostly because it felt more like a "proof of concept" piece when it came to integrating an all-CGI character into scenes with real actors than it did a real part of the story. The Greedo change is pointless, yeah, but not a deal-breaker...and the addition of Biggs is kinda fun, to be honest. But I love the cleaned-up/new, dynamic SFX. Hating on the SEs seems like prequel backlash to me.

I hated on the Special Eds before Phantom Menace was out. In fact, I hate the Special Eds (and the subsequent DVD releases) more than I will ever hate any of the prequels.

Ouch, that's hardcore.

The sequels ruined the original Matrix for me. I can't enjoy it anymore. I nitpick it to death. I want to still love it, I really do...but I just can't.

Star Wars is the same...although not as badly. But I really don't care for it anymore as much as I'd like to.

I wouldn't care so much if Lucas had only taken the same care with the original prints as he did the Special Eds. Like I said before, the restoration work they did to the original trilogy was ONLY done for the Special Eds; the original version DVDs were just transfers of the 1993 laserdisc masters. Which is a really shitty thing to do. If Lucas had released fully restored and remastered versions of the original trilogy *without* his cinematic buttfuckery being imposed upon it, I would have no issues with the Special Eds, and could happily ignore their existence.

Seriously, how do you make Return of the Jedi gheyer....? That takes some dedication.

That's because you are a Communist.

I'm not a huge fan of the Special Eds, but some of the changes are okay. I do appreciate the cleaner effects on lightsabers and blaster bolts an' stufs.

ANH
Han Shoots First! (this almost completely changed the character of Han Solo for me.)
Han has the exact same conversation, word-for-word with Jabba that he just had with Greed - pointless
While I appreciated the attempt at making the Death Star dogfight more dogfight-y, the CG elements just don't mix with the "wood and string" models, and I think this really detracted from the SFX work of the original version.

ESB
I'm glad they got rid of the old woman with chimpazee eyes and inserted the "real" Emperor hologram, but man, does h e d r a g o u t t h e l i n e s.
I like how they "opened up" Cloud City.
I didn't like the "Alert my Star Destroyer and tell them to prepare for my arrival" line that was added in, it doesn't even sound like Darth Vader

ROTJ
Jedi Rocks? More like Jedi SUCKS (I hated, HATED that change)
I am ambivalent on the Sarlaac update
Why the fuck did Anakin's force ghost take the form of Hayden Christensen, and how the fck did Luke even know who he was?

That's most of them, huh?

Don't forget all the hilarious scenes in Mos Eisley. And so much more.......

BTW that Vader line in ESB is really REALLY angst-inducing to me. The line reading was so flat and emotionless, in stark contrast to the original which was just bristling with pissed-off-ness. And then they actually show him getting on his ship, flying through space, and then HAY LOOK THAT STAR DESTROYER BAY SURE LOOKS LIKE THE SECOND DEATH STAR FROM ROTJ, oh right IT IS because it's recycled footage for no f*cking reason at all, other than the fact that Lucas really really likes to show ships taking off and landing.

Oh I could go on and on about this.

No because I want to go home after work and play with my new Millennium Falcon toy and I don't wanna be pissed off.

Do tell


The only review I read was from a blog I follow by the dude who created the CN cartoon Chowder, and he was basically saying "yeah...I can understand entertainment that's just for kids, but even they didn't seem to enjoy it." I haven't actively been seeking anything about the Clone Wars movie.

Hey, admitting you have a problem is the first step, right? :smileyforshootingselfupwithheroin

explanation about force ghosting in the end of rots killed the entire story for me as petty as it sounds


how the fuck do you fuck up your own retcon, it was like they hadnt even seen the other movies!!!


the fact that one r2 unit and protocol droid happened to be passed to two generations was odd too

This is a question I have asked myself.

I haven't gone by the name 'Obi-Wan,' since, oh, before you were born. Or maybe sometime after.

Now that's just being nitpicky.

I got lots more.

Point is, he massively f*cked up his own chronology.

I don't think its as bad as everyone makes it out to be.

you dont see something wrong with him spending 20 years in the desert guarding a baby and attempting to master a skill that a different guy, that never heard of this skill masters instantly?!?

If only I could purge the knowledge of what transpires in the sequels/prequels could I really enjoy SW like I did when I was a kid. It's not the same with Wrath of Khan because Nemesis doesn't wreck it by say, having Picard travel back in time to father Kirk, who then travels back in time and whose DNA is used to make Khan - which more along the kind of contrived crap that Lucas did to Star Wars.

I would have been OK with the "story told from the droid's point of view" since that was cribbed homage'd from The Hidden Fortress.

But again, they even fcuk'd that up - hello, doesn't it make more sense for a protocol droid to be with, I don't know, a queen than a slave girl?

Dude it's a complete mess. "Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it. He feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damned fool idealistic crusade like your father did." The Clone Wars were the reason Anakin left Tatooine in the first place. At least, according to the original trilogy.

And so on...

Do you remember your mother?

I do.

Tell me about her.

Okay. She was great. Nice smile, but sad. Very sad.

*Luke continues listening unaware that she is speaking of an adoptive mother, since their biological mother only lived long enough to name them, thus ruining the tenderness of the moment for the audience, who is aware that Leia couldn't possibly remember the woman important to Luke, and that Luke will never know that Leia isn't talking about his mother*

In the interest of fairness, I should also mention that Darth Vader wasn't even Luke's father until the fourth draft of ESB.

NO HE PLANNED IT ALL OUT AHEAD OF TIME AND WROTE A TRILOGY OF TRILOGIES IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL!

* knows *

I'm probably one of the few who feels that very point was when the original trilogy jumped the shark - as I think that decision pretty much led to many more bad ones down the line...

That decision did cause some continuity problems in the OT. In ANH, Luke's father was *not* Obi-Wan's pupil. He was just some 1337 warrior guy who went off and got tragically killed by Darth Vader when "Darth" decided to go bad and start killing Jedi Knights. Hence Luke's uncle's desire to keep Luke away from Obi-Wan; he didn't want him to end up dead like his father did.

*goes off on some damn fool crusade like my father did*

And in the intervening 20 years between the PT and OT, Darth never once Googled his brother while sitting all emo-style in his big black masturbation meditation chamber and discovered Lars was raising a nephew named Luke Skywalker.

Owww. That hurt, one of my eyes just rolled out of my head.

That would be another problem -- all of a sudden with Luke's father being Darth Vader, the likelihood that any sane person would keep the "Skywalker" last name for him (if he's supposed to be Secret Child and all) goes down to zero.

But I can never hate ESB, ever. So I'm pretty forgiving.

Well, you could've made Anakin's last name something else, so that Skywalker was a pseudonym.

Just saying...

EDIT: Or did they mention "Anakin Skywalker" as full name in A New Hope? I don't remember. Yeah, it'd probably not fix anything. Disregard this post.

"Anakin Skywalker" was first mentioned in RotJ. So you have a point there.

Just imagine how things could have been different if in RotJ we found out Vader was lying.

Hello, DARK SIDE...

Filled with LIERS!

Trying to MINDfarg you.

* sigh*