You won't find me defending RotJ, aside from the cool red uniforms those guards wore.

And I like the iconography of Black-Suited Luke with his green lightsaber, but mostly he sucked and Han & Leia may as well have been played by puppets.

Yeah. Admiral Ackbar, too.

Whoops!

I do give props to Ackbar. RotJ certainly made up for ESB's relative deficiencies in the "Dudes With Alien Masks" department.

You don't talk to me any more. My only gripe obout ROTJ is the Ewoks and therefore you're a heretic.

I did really like the space battle stuff in RotJ, a lot.

...that's all I can do for you


Honestly, I think that ESB is the odd man out when it comes to SW films. RotJ has a lot in common with ANH (and I don't just mean the lifted plot device, lol). Maybe if ESB had been less of a real movie and more just a SW movie, we wouldn't have had these expectations of greatness when it came to the prequels etc.

linked again for great justice http://www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com/nat...fthebeast1.html

my real problem with the prequals appears to be that I grew up and fricking lucas didnt.


if you suspend disbelief long enough and make yourself an 8 year old (my age when ROTJ came out) the prequals are really good and fun and scary and suspensful and visually pleasing with good actors


considering that 8 year olds are always lucas's audience apparently he did a good job


if you were a deeper 8 year old then me, then I do pity you even though you are not a fool

I think that there's another issue there as well... Star Wars was just a f*cking great movie, period. Contrast that one with The Phantom Menace, which had stuff that blew up real good, but which also had some truly sh*tty acting, too much talky talk, and a plot so convoluted it almost seemed clever but wasn't. Apart from anything else, it just wasn't a good movie. It looked pretty, sure (that's Lucas' strength), but you need a script and actors and stuff to make it work onscreen.

YOU ARE NOT MAKING YOURSELF 8

hey I have an eight-year-old son (well, "had" -- he's ten now)... he had no f*cking discernment at all. It was only recently that he started telling me that it sucked how Phantom Menace was all about Qui-Gon and he's not even in episodes II or III.

Point being, I loved ESB when I was eight, but I continue to love it today because it's a great friggin movie. The same is not true of certain other things I was really into at the time ( to Star Blazers).

fwiw i like ROTJ until they leave for endor, sand vagina and all

Maybe you missed the part in the Special Ed where they turned it into a hermaphroditic shemale dickgirl thing?

i have the special editions,but they are still in plastic, i didnt see jedi spec ed in theaters, so my memories of the first half of ROTJ are intact

You, sir, are a lucky man.

No amount of drugs, alcohol, or self-abuse can erase the spectacle of Jedi Rocks from my mind.

Koo ne tang!
Na, na, na, Ah lawah!
Koo nee tang!

Wow, are you serious?

I guarantee you that if you watch the SpEd of RotJ you will trash all of your SW merchandise and leave a flaming bag of poo on Lucas' doorstep.

Jeez, every generation must kill its heroes, huh?

It is nice to see the hate creeping back into even the non-SE Original Trilogy, what with the ripping of plot points and all. That's the heart and soul of the internet: everyone hates everything.

I hate people who dismiss discourse just because it's on the internet.

















not really

Hate is really wanting to love something and being unable to. You should know that by now. It's the frustration with RotJ's missed opportunities that leads to the

Seriously, what if the prequels had blown everyone away and everyone liked the Special Editions? How different would the internet be today?

It would just be CNN and pr0n sites.

Don't forget places for nerds who like to buy little plastic robots and also like to talk about them. And politics. And comic books. And dickgirls.

I think it's more that SW had the potential to be the greatest thing ever, but said potential was slowly thrown away over the years, and in such a manner that the original was ruined somewhat, since there's no way to completely divorce your mind from that knowledge.

And I don't hate anything SW, it's always been a cherished childhood memory (I saw the first film when I was eight), it's more a resigned disappointment that Lucas didn't do a better job of keeping the excitment and hope of the Summer of '77 alive.

I think most people here are too young to understand the cultural phenomenon that Star Wars was.

I mean, they made a friggin' disco remix of the theme.

And people bought it.

Hey, who was that said something wise about crapping out Star Wars labeled turds?

Electric Moog Orchestra for the win!

that's one of my favorite easter eggs in the Lego SW game, BTW.

I still have the original album.

And their Battlestar Galactica LP as well.

A bunch of people hating on Spider-Man 3?

*started watching the old show on nbc.com*

Now a bunch of vague memories are starting to piece themselves together.

It's probably too late now, but my recommendation for the old show is to watch only the following: the pilot episode (Saga of a Star World), Lost World of the Gods, Gun on Ice Planet Zero, The Living Legend and War of the Gods.

Basically, because the original BSG was intended to be a set of made-for-TV movies, but at some point they decided to go weekly series (with the exception of the pilot, all of the above ended up as two-parters), which caused them to have to quickly write a bunch of one hour episodes to fill out the schedule (most of which were super-derivative and subpar, although Fire in Space and Hand of God aren't too bad).

Well shoot, I'm not watching the show for quality entertainment purposes I just wanted to get a context for what RDM et al. had to work with when they came up with the new series. And it's also fun to revisit the 70's. LOL to "Girl Pilots"

"Daddy, why does Apollo's sister make my weiner feel funny?"

She actually makes me limp because she's such a terrible actress

It is funny to see Richard Hatch in full-on sincere actor mode.

Oddly enough, Boxey isn't the blight on the show I was expecting him to be. (That would be Dirk Benedict and his "what show am I on?" acting.)

I was too busy furiously mastubating to notice (then and now).


I think Boxey works because they didn't over use him (except perhaps in Ice Planet Zero); plus, the relationship between him, Apollo and Adama feels genuine.

However, I can't agree with your assessment of Dirk Benedict, when you're ten years old his Starbuck is the coolest thing ever - my nostalgia glasses will not allow me to overlook how hammy his performance is now.

Oh my god dude his acting is almost brilliant in its incoherence. I swear he must have been jacked up on coke the whole time or something.

Not that I noticed any of this at the time. I just thought he was cool cuz he smoked cigars in space.

P.S. Thank goodness that RDM decided against using Dirk Benedict in the show at the end of season 1. Though from what I've read, it doesn't sound like he would have been too high on the idea anyway.

Damn, did the A-Team kill EVERYONE'S career

Starwars....

Ho hum.

Just wanted to say I'm glad the prequels did me in years ago. Going into this as a fanboy with any of hope of it being good at all would have only resulted in emotional sadness, and empathy for once great legacy.

The Special Editions personally didn't irk me as much as the later dvd revisits after the prequals. I survived a little added CGI, Jedi rocks and whatever the hell else he did but that IMO is where he should have left it. To this day I don't own any of the movies on dvd and am perfectly content with my THX vhs tapes, and widescreen special editions.

Anything after that with the odd exception of the animated Clone Wars has been pretty much crap. (Oh and some of the sequel novel/comic adaptations by Darkhorse were pretty damn cool)

It's really too bad because I really did at one time have a lot of appreciation for the franchise.

Instead of weathering it I just ended up walking out of each prequel feeling more let down the last and now am to empathetic to care about the franchise one way or the other.

Wake me up when they decide to give Mara Jade a movie.

Transformers, and the like have long filled that void for me.

Hey, how 'bout a "Thrawn Trilogy" movie series? Man, in 1991 I had such high hopes that those books would be turned into movies.

So...who else thinks that whenever Lucas kicks the bucket we're gonna get some kind of reboot/continuation (read: not a prequel) of the Original Trilogy?

SEE??? HAIR-UH-TICK!!!!



Heh! I can't remember for sure which was my first "tv crush"...Athena or Col. Wilma Deering.

Hey, they're just movies. Get over yourself and quit over thinking them, right?

Some people act like these movies killed their brother or something.

Most subtle internet throat punch ever.

I think that all the time, and then I wake up.

I fear a sequel trilogy more than death and public speaking.

YUZON VONG'D!

I would like a movie that grants attributes to characters we all think have those attributes even though they, like, completely did NOT show said attributes in the Holy Trininity (Original Trilogy), stuff like:

Boba Fett actually being a badass and not someone that got PWNED by a blind man.

Jabba the Hutt being an actual "vile gangster" and not just Santa Clause shaped like a worm that drools a lot. (Ho ho ho ho).

Admiral Piett commanding the biggest, most dangerous ship in the galaxy and not some guy that just looks at the camera with his "scared shitless" face.

And I would love...LOVE...a Platoon style movie about Stormtroopers because I want to see one in this pose.

I would hope to death they wouldn't get that far in the novel continuity...or perhaps ignore the novels altogether.

As it turns out...


naw, but i did find out my brother had died in a car crash after i came home from seeing the transformers movie in 86, it took me until the first dvd release to watch it.

it should be a sad story, but it was like... 20 years ago, wounds heal, but I am sure there the tragedy has something to do with my transformer collecting today


childhood lost'd

I bought my first transformer after moving halfway across the world and leaving all my friends behind, so yeah. Hello, filling the void. That's healthy.

This will never happen

I have no amount of tolerance for SW fans who think Boba Fett was a) badass or b) alive after RotJ

F*cking Dengar

I had a friend who carried an inappropriate torch for Wedge Antilles. It was stoopid.