I have a question to pose to all the Sam & Mikaela fans out in transformers world who include myself, when it comes time to raise the curtain up on the sequel to transformers. how do you think Sam's and Mikaela's relationship will be portrayed, do you believe that they will be all lovely doubly head over heels in love with each other, or will they be experiencing some relationship pressures by an unseen as of yet third-party, and if so do you think their relationship has enough love sewed into it for them to survive as a couple throughout the film. and if they do survive and the producers of transformers decide to go on with the franchise will they remain together as a couple in the next feature film that the studio desires to come out with. now before I present this next question I want it completely understood that this is only a scenario I'm not saying that this has a chance to occur or just give me a chance to explain my conclusions, before those of you who are reading this want my head on a platter, if indeed this film is the conclusion to transformers on the big screen how would you like Sam & Mikaela to conclude their relationship happily or not so happily. with the characters upon characters that I support and would bend over backwards for equally represented in film and television, and as much as I love Sam & Maikaela as a couple I would love nothing more than for Sam to secure the everlasting bond between him and the woman, who loves him so dearly by proposing to her, now again I know this is pushing a little bit but I'm only speculating once again. but if he does indeed propose to her how cool would it be to here this name MikaelaWitwicky how cool does that sound, I know that is looking way in to the future but what if, the just what if, that would happen that would be out of control, and then I would indeed, leave the multiplex after seeing the film with a complete cheesy smiles on my face complete with dimples, and completely satisfied with the way the writers of the film, concluded the relationship between the two main characters in the film with, nothing less than a wedding that would be perfect, I can put into words or describe how elated and overjoyed I would be if that were to become a reality, but then again I just might be a hopeless romantic and furthermore I just might Love Happy endings, and on top of all that I might love weddings drinks all around!! for everyone. ok in all seriousness now the think you the writers of transformers will conclude the relationship of Sam & Mikaela happily, are not so happily or not so happily, and if the cases not so happily do you think they will leave room for future possibilities between them and furthermore conversations upon conversations of speculation between their all loyal supporters and their fans.

think about it? Mikaela

I think they will be portrayed as bickering and having some problems, to maximize on humor, and as in need of change/life lessons to fix their problem.

Fortunately for their mismatched relationship, giant F-ing robots are about to try and step on them, again, thus revitalizing the only thing the actually have in common: alien's trying to kill them.

(I also think the relationship will be portrayed poorly, but that is another topic.)

It's a hollywood blockbuster done by Michael Bay. It will either have a happy ending(In the sense that there will be no problems in their relationship at the end of the movie) for the two, or if Bay somehow decides to do something a little different, will be set up so the third movie will have the happy ending(In the sense that there will be no problems in their relationship at the end of the movie).

You're kind of over examining it a bit, I think.

IMO, anything not having to do with Giant F-ing Robots is superfluous.

While I accept the need for a human storyline and thus a human "framework" to build the TF war around is necessary.. the uber TF nerds here may want to see all robots all the time (and yea, I'd probably like that better too), but the general public needs a human element and I understand that. To put it in analogy, it'd be like a Spiderman movie without Peter Parker. If he's just a nameless guy in a suit, you cant really empathise with him. It's easy to lose the scale and scope of Transformers and their war without a human to remind you just how big and powerful they are.

That said, I do hope they focus more on the personalities of said robots next time around and spend a little less time on the humans. I found Sam pretty likable, admittedly.. as far as needing a human in a TF story goes, I thought he fit pretty well, and Mikaela was a decent enough counterpart to him. The whole Hacker/etc subplot i found unnecessary and on repeat viewings i tend to start to lose interest in those scenes til the Autobots show up. But admittedly, I really dont particularly care what happens to the 2 of them, so long as it's a decent story and it entertains me.
It's a Hollywood movie though, so I'm sure in the end everything will be roses and candy.

I hope they don't waste time focusing on the relationship stuff. Just give me robots, damnit!

The last thing the movie needs is a bunch of relationship drama getting in the way of farging ROBOTS. Besides, in Hollywood, most movies have people with a bunch of relationship problems. I would for once like to see a movie without shot like that. It's boring and it's old and it is FAR from deep.


That is all.

I want her soul ripped out of her body and put in a robot body via the allspark and re-christened elita 1 and then gets it on with prime...

My prediction? We'll see Daniel born in the 3rd movie...

that is enough I cannot stand by any longer listening to this blasphemy, I understand there's no transformers without supporting characters, and also furthermore to facilitate any decent story you need a backup story line or a relationship, I mean I do not go to any film just to see a giant robots kick the ever loving crap out of each other for 2 1/2 hours. and that just doesn't interest me enough to sit still, for that long in one seat I need a second reason to keep me interested and to keep me watching, and that doesn't mean that I do not enjoy a good robot battle but I'm sorry I need something else I don't know what I need something else I'm sorry, I just don't know what else to say on that topic. I have one thing to say transformers is nothing without the people behind them supporting them telling them to keep on going telling them that they're doing, the right thing, it's not just all about the robots the people relationships, matter as much as a robots do in the film.

Mikaela

I'm fine with sub plots, but it doesn't have to be a fucking TRITE relationship drama. Reading the horrible Twilight books gave me more than my fill of THAT. I would much rather have sub plots that explore then subject matter: Huge transforming robots. Humans have always played a role, but they should not be the focus. If the humans played a similar role in TF2 that they play in animated, I'll be happy.

Also, your posts are hard on the eyes. I'm not asking for perfect grammar and punctuation but at least use some. Also: The enter key is your friend after you've addressed one main idea.

You're going to be disappointed next summer.

Yeah, I figured. Well, as long as Scorponok gets to impale someone else, I'll be decently happy.

But here's what I don't get, people make it out like the movie was 99% love story and only 1% everything else.

There was A LOT more going on throughout the movie than the love story. There wasn't any more (probably less) about the love story than there was time spent on the marines. You also had various scenes featuring the governments response, the computer geeks, Frenzy and all of the other scenes that dealt with the bots.

Another thing to keep in mind is that it accomplished the most fundamental elements necessary for a potentially mega movie franchise. To put it simply...it set the table.

The first movie had to have a great many things go right in order to do this. It had to introduce us to, and begin to develop key characters that people will care about. Done.

Now it didn't have to have the GREATEST story, it just had to good enough to fit well with the overall plot, which wasn't as hokey as it first sounded, and not get too complicated. Again, I'd say they did a great job here too. As I said, even if you didn't care as much for the love connection, there was plenty more going on with other characters.

The biggest thing though, is that it had to capture the audiences and make them leave wanting more. No arguing that they succeeded there!

And it was nicely set up for the sequel. Those were some of the most important things that the first movie needed to do. With a lot of the introductions out of the way, the next movies will be a lot more free to focus more on other things that some feel the first movie lacked.

Let's also not forget, the budget will be MUCH bigger! And lots more TF's are promised. I don't think Bay is unaware of the importance of the second movie in a series like this and that audiences need a lot more than the first to get knocked out again.

Personally, I think he'll do it.

By no transformers without humans/supporting characters, do you mean the movie/s or the cartoons? There have been several cartoons with zero humans in them.

I do agree that human involvement in Transformers stories is a vital element, especially to the classic themes of the franchise.

I once addressed the topic at length here: http://forums.TFormers.com/talk/index.php?...=0#entry1196777

I do not however see much romantic value beyond the standard, "Hero must win love interest" notion in Transformers story telling.

Quite frankly the Sam/Mikala relationship was poor window dressing at best. She was portrayed as being shallow and image obsessed, but then goes for Sam. I couldn't see her maintaining interest in him beyond a week after they dropped Megs into the ocean.

Sam didn't seem to have interest in any girl beyond a desire to hump their leg.

At best this "romance" was basically a story about two hormonally unbalanced people stuck in a foxhole.

My prediction is that Sam will TRY to get to third base and fail miserably.

Bay did say they were going to work Shia's crushed hand into the story...

I never said the first movie was 99% love story. The only thing I'm ragging on the first for was not developing the transformers enough, ESPECIALLY the Decepticons. I AM saying that the sequel does not need a stupid love story beyond "Guy has girl from first movie and they have sexy scenes in a yellow transformer right before they almost get blown the fuck up by Decepticons at the beginning of the movie."

Love stories where the relationship gets really screwed get complicated and lame and slow really fast, which would A. Not suit Bay's style and B. Not suit the action I crave, as well as the character development of the Transformers that was so absent from the first.

So I take it you didn't like the 86 movie which was a bunch of robots just beating the crap out of each other.

Personaly, and I'm watching it now on HBO(I can't wait till I can go out drinking on the weekends again), I couldn't give a crap less about either of them returning in TF2. Megan Fox is very pretty, but also pretty trivial to an ongoing plot, which means to fit her in yeah, it'll probably be a bunch of relationship BS with these two.

It Transformers, not LifeTime.

I do agree though that in a live action movie you do need a supporting cast, and personaly, I'd like to have seen Rachael Taylor return. I think she's both prettier and more entertaining in general. I bet a plot with her character in it would be much better too.

Think about it, instead of, "Hey everyone, now Sam's in college, and we're gonna work in some of those robots you like"

Or we could have, "Hey everyone, more robots are arriving and the Decepticons seem to be up to something, and the person who first learned how to track and understand them is furthering relations with these new arivals in general while heading a team that keeps an eye on potental harmful activities"

Yeah, Sam going to school and dealing with his girlfriend is a much better way to go.

Screw them both. I want Rachael back.

Screw the original human cast entirely! Just give me Sari and that police guy from animated. They've proven themselves as good characters in a TF show.

You sir, just made me need a new keyboard...

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Whatever it is you do at night, I want you to know that I judge you completely.

OK, I just came here to say that the original poster lost me at "Sam and Mikeala Fan." Mostly because I saw the solid block of text with no paragraph breaks. WOW!

Jeeze, I was hoping it was just a spit take.

...of Soda.

^ Yeah, right.

With the upgrade in TF screen time, I dont think their relationship will be important.

Yeah. I never thought it was important to begin with. All I really care about is the Transformers anyway.

I think this thread just made me a little er

Is that possible? You already have a 90210 sig. Isn't that enough.

didn't they have enough screen time in the first film? like more then the transformers for example?
the second should focus on the robots mostly imo.

Firstly, there are Mikaela fangirls?

Secondly, there are Mikaela fangirls.

hawt

lyndall jarvis is hotter than megan fox so there!!!!!!!!!!

I agree, but I don't see how that's relevant.