well, when were also raising wages and shutting businesses down who can't pay the extra costs, yea it'll be bad.

Not while the dollar isn't worth anything, they won't.

OMFG, what is your minimum wage being raised to this year? Washington is raising the state min. wage up to $8.75/hour or something stupid like that.

WHY WON'T MORONS REALIZE THAT PRINTING MORE MONEY WON'T HELP THE SITUATION?!?!?!?!

wait, so raising taxes is going to help the value of the dollar?

ding ding ding

It's faulty logic and faulty math IMO.

I think there is merit in ideas like this - but under ideal economic situations. You can't start calling for that kinda stuff in the middle of an economic downturn during a war with gas prices being what they are. People don't budget/spend in the same way under these sorts of conditions. <- Hence not Libertarian, I guess.

Which is why I think it's a bad idea... when you're planning a budget, it's usually best to make sure that your income is going to be as steady and consistent as possible... so you can plan and stuff.

look when you raise the wage, it hurts business. period. especially when the profit margins are so low in small business.

no need to be a jackass.

Going up to $8.00, not that anyone could ever exist on that down here without working, I don't know, 80 hours a week.



It worked for Mexico a decade or two ago...wait, no it didn't, the Peso went down from what 200/$1 to almost 2000/$1

Wait, wasn't I agreeing with you? Why did you call me names and hurt my feelings on the ?

On a local level, probably not. But the local level government needs more money to pay for stuff while the dollar is devalued, just like private citizens do. State's gotta buy gas, too.

On a national level, if it means that the increased taxes are going to pay off the debts owed to other countries that is causing the value of the dollar to be decreased, then yes, it can help the value of the dollar to raise taxes.

The default state tax is 6.25%. There is a 1% temp tax still in effect from 1990. Then there are the county and local taxes. County taxes swing widely. For instance, in San Joaquin County, we pay 7.75%. 0.5% of that is for a transportation tax (Measure K). However, if you live in Manteca (part of SJCo), they pay 8.25% because they voted in a tax to help pay for safety services.

So while the state default tax rate might be lower, in some parts (like San Francisco county where you can pay up to 9.25% sales tax), it's very high.



The issue isn't about taxes being raised, dude. It's about them being dirty, lying jackasses and calling it TEMPORARY. They played that game on us before, pulled the wool over our eyes and we let them get away with it. They call it temporary because the public are morons and will think OH WOWZ! IF ITS JUST TEH TEMPS IT'LL GO AWAY. OK, ME THINK I GO FOR IT!

Step 1: Collect underpants/oil/renewable energy/stop wars
Step 2: ???
Step 3: PROFIT!!!

Raising taxes is not a bad thing folks, but raising wages to compensate for a recession economic downturn is a horrible idea. The taxes go for improving infrastructure and paying off foreign debts (ever wonder where your "economic stimulus package" money came from? It was borrowed from the Chinese, we haven't been operating on our own capital as a country since Bush's 2nd year in office) which then improves foreign confidence in the US dollar, thus increasing the value of said dollar.

It's like a home loan lender. If a dude walks in who is spending money he doesn't have, and wants to borrow a sh1t-ton more (GWB, anyone?), a bank MAY be stupid enough to loan him the money, but they are going to be smart enough to ASS-RAPE him on interest. What do you think China is going to do? Are they going to be nice guys and let us go cheap and easy? Hell no. They will get theirs back one way or another plus some. What would have been smart is us as a country raising taxes to pay as much of this stupid deficit down as we can as we go.



And if this is the issue, quit being so naive. Nothing in this world is going to get cheaper as we get older, so get used to it. Is it right for them to call it "temporary" when it obvioulsy is not? Hell no. But then again, how naive are we to take anything a politician says at face value?

-confusing people since Gore imagined it.

actually I thought you were calling me names and stuff. sorry. here i'll "make it up to you"

*sets up mom cam*

*INTERNET hugs Nomolos*

*faps to mom cam*

All is right.

My only point, CHL, is that people allow their politicians to get away with doing things like this, then wonder why the state/country is so screwed up. No one takes action on politics anymore, and that's sad.

I'm done here

I sure did when I fixed that JFK guy. I fixed him up real good.

I've met him in person (strickly by chance at wal-mart), nice guy has done alot for the state and gets my support. As you may have noticed we haven't dwindled into nothingness because of him.

I think people make the mistake of assuming that politicians are any different from anyone else. This type of scenario should sound very very familiar to anyone who's ever held a job.

That's why I said you guys need at least 3 Tim Eymans (for size of state)... No matter how much CHL disagrees.

Tim Eyman is a douchebag with way too much time and money on his hands. The bullshit that dude gets put on the ballots every year take valuable time and resources away from valid initiatives/referendums.

And this:

has got to be one of the dumbest things I've heard you say on the INTERNETS.

I wish I had his time but as for having money, the dood did mortgage his home to help get this latest initiative on the ballot (I-985).



SURELY YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS *wait* Yes, you are and I won't call you Shirley again.

Well, as long as we got THAT straight.

Schwarzenegger should stick to selling pizza. He has that down.