Ok, so I'm seeing/reading about how Galvatron has been sighted in TRU's all over. Well, I was out last night and saw him, so I figured yeah (why not). I opened him today and I must say that I don't think I've been more disappointed in a tf (in all my life as a collector). I will say that the pic on the back does look pretty sweet!
First, I was surprised on the size. I was expecting voyager or even ultra. I mean to finally get a Galvy for the U line, Ijust expected more (maybe my fault).
Second, I don't think I've had as much pieces/joints pop out of a tf when transforming him as I did w/ this guy. His legs have little ball joints that pop out at the knees.
Third, his arm/cannon popped off. Took me a couple of minutes to try to get the oragne hinge back in. (the list could go on but I'll stop).
Don't get me wrong! W/ all tf's I expect there to be flaws, but I was just amazed/disappointed w/ what I saw. Hopefully, it was just me. I'd love it if someone responded by saying I was crazy that their Galvy was really cool.
Standing up on my shelf, he will look cool though.
Full Version: Universe Galvatron
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yeah your not the first to think he is too small and to have everything pop off but it could be worse you could own the first titanium megatron... *shudders*
yeah your not the first to think he is too small and to have everything pop off but it could be worse you could own the first titanium megatron... *shudders*
Basically what it comes down to, is the toy was designed to be a larger class, at least a voyager if not ultra. You can just look at it and see that. The problem of course is the money crunchers told them they had to make him a deluxe, the Hasbro panel told us as much at Botcon & SDCC. So basically what you see is a design, that while it would have been adequate or great at a larger scale, is shrunk so much that the connection pieces lack the strength/thickness to hold the toy together. Even the Hasbro guys gave the impression that they didn't like that decision and ended up not liking the end result, so it's possible (however very unlikely) that they may try to issue a different Galvatron in the near future, that isn't a tank. Logical conclusion would be the energon 2-pack Megatron repainted in full Energon Galvatron colors, and hopefully packed with a brand new mold voyager or ultra class Rodimus Prime (wishful thinking)
I'm on a fence about this guy. I THINK I would be able to fix him up, at least his ball joints, but his hinges I don't think I'd be able to, at least not easily. I'd rather wait until I see a topic about someone fixing him up so that he holds together well.
On my Galvatron only like 2 pieces popped off during the transformation. They only robot problem is the standing problem the worst problems in robot mode are the missle firing and his left arm detaching every once and a while.
Just bought mine today and the only things that popped off were the tank treads that fold onto the back and that's because I applied too much force. Not because it's a bad toy. In fact, It's a great fargin toy! Those of you batching about the size of the figure seem to be missing something in life. I'm not sure what it is but the size of a toy matters not when it's transformation, posability and kick ass alt mode are all..... kick ass. 
I think he's great.
I think he's great.
I too fear opening him after all I've heard. I'm pretty sure I'll feel the same way about IronHide. They're nice, but just not right
They seem to fall short of what the figures should be. I'll suport them though in hopes that Has/Tak takes this as a sign to make further steps in bringing us propper representations of these characters.
They seem to fall short of what the figures should be. I'll suport them though in hopes that Has/Tak takes this as a sign to make further steps in bringing us propper representations of these characters.
^ 
I wonder when we'll see a up sized KO version of this guy coming out from China...
Anyways, I went to my closet TRU, and was welcomed w/ wv1 Animated stuff and various old movie shelfwarmers...
Anyways, I went to my closet TRU, and was welcomed w/ wv1 Animated stuff and various old movie shelfwarmers...
QUOTE (Hellscream333 @ Aug 3 2008, 05:07 PM) 
^
I have the right to dream. It may be futile, but I have the right.
You do. I wasn't being offensive it just really made me laugh out loud when I read the end of that. My apologies. 
I can't be mad a Mr Bean, so no worries.
I just always heard speak if you wanna be heard, so although my forum voice may fall on def ears, I try and make it a point to speak up anyway.
After all you never know, a single echo may be all it takes to turn a subpar cliffside into a superior passage way to something bigger and better.
Even if unabated, as long as it's unoffensive, I'll speak my mind even if it may just be screaming at the sky.
After all, whats the worst that can happen, I'll be doubted on the internet, hell that aint even a blip on my radar. Whats the best, maybe someone will take heed and listen.
We are the customer, we can make them listen if we speak up and don't just say OK.
I just always heard speak if you wanna be heard, so although my forum voice may fall on def ears, I try and make it a point to speak up anyway.
After all you never know, a single echo may be all it takes to turn a subpar cliffside into a superior passage way to something bigger and better.
Even if unabated, as long as it's unoffensive, I'll speak my mind even if it may just be screaming at the sky.
After all, whats the worst that can happen, I'll be doubted on the internet, hell that aint even a blip on my radar. Whats the best, maybe someone will take heed and listen.
We are the customer, we can make them listen if we speak up and don't just say OK.
QUOTE (C - 310 @ Aug 3 2008, 08:29 PM)
I wonder when we'll see a up sized KO version of this guy coming out from China...
Anyways, I went to my closet TRU, and was welcomed w/ wv1 Animated stuff and various old movie shelfwarmers...
Anyways, I went to my closet TRU, and was welcomed w/ wv1 Animated stuff and various old movie shelfwarmers...
DUDE I WANT YOUR CLOSET!^ You've got a TRU in your closet!?!?!?! JK Any who I don't know why everyone is still complaining about the size, and all this other stuff especially these according to some not being great representations of these G1 characters. Does anyone remember how horrid some of the G1 characters looked? Ironhide, and Ratchet didn't even have real heads let alone anything in the window "face" looking like a face add practically no posability, and you get a totally craptastic fig. Galvy wasn't much better huge hole in the top of his head no leg movement to speak of, a fricking horrid head sculpt that looked nothing like him, and the toy being no where near the color of the character in the movie, or on the show, and yes another craptastic figure. I think that both the Cl/U Ironhide, and Galvy look great, and as far as the cracking windows are concerned you could always take some really thin like .001" styrene (about as thick as a sheet of paper) and paint it a similar blue to that of the windows, and super glue them in place. Problem solved. As for Galvy I'll determin what if any improvements need to be made once I pick him up.
*edited after seeing Galvy in the Action Pose Thread
He doesn't appear to need a dag-on bit of improvement.
QUOTE (Rodimus VTS @ Aug 3 2008, 07:51 PM)
QUOTE (C - 310 @ Aug 3 2008, 08:29 PM)
I wonder when we'll see a up sized KO version of this guy coming out from China...
Anyways, I went to my closet TRU, and was welcomed w/ wv1 Animated stuff and various old movie shelfwarmers...
Anyways, I went to my closet TRU, and was welcomed w/ wv1 Animated stuff and various old movie shelfwarmers...
DUDE I WANT YOUR CLOSET!^ You've got a TRU in your closet!?!?!?! JK Any who I don't know why everyone is still complaining about the size, and all this other stuff especially these according to some not being great representations of these G1 characters. Does anyone remember how horrid some of the G1 characters looked? Ironhide, and Ratchet didn't even have real heads let alone anything in the window "face" looking like a face add practically no posability, and you get a totally craptastic fig. Galvy wasn't much better huge hole in the top of his head no leg movement to speak of, a fricking horrid head sculpt that looked nothing like him, and the toy being no where near the color of the character in the movie, or on the show, and yes another craptastic figure. I think that both the Cl/U Ironhide, and Galvy look great, and as far as the cracking windows are concerned you could always take some really thin like .001" styrene (about as thick as a sheet of paper) and paint it a similar blue to that of the windows, and super glue them in place. Problem solved. As for Galvy I'll determin what if any improvements need to be made once I pick him up.
*edited after seeing Galvy in the Action Pose Thread
He doesn't appear to need a dag-on bit of improvement.
I agree that these are nice figures, even if only bullet points of detail pay homage to who they're supose to be.
However dont say G1 galvatron had no leg articulation. He could do a kick!
Not alot of G1 figures could do that.
I don't have Galvatron or Ironhide yet, but I can see where an eyebrow may be raised concering them. I just hope that suporting new molds now, will bring more acyrate ones later.
Yes, it is VERY obvious this guy was meant to be a bigger size. The complexity o the transform, combined with the articulation and detail, makes this very obvious.
That said, it is awesome to have a small scale puzzleformer. I had about 3 joints pop off whilst transforming him for the first time, but they all went back on smoothly. He just has a very massive feeling to him. I can't imagine what he must've been like in larger scale with that huge arm cannon!
... So am I the only one thinking he has an alternate transformation somewhere in there? He has a huge backpack with missile launchers on them that start life as his rear treads. But what makes me think he has an alt transformation is what is hidden in there. The instructions prompt you to pull out two triangular pieces that seem to have absolutely no function whatsoever. They don't add anything aesthetically, and they look like feet of all things!
Here's my thought: Somewhere this guy has a transform that looks like his G1 self, with side bracing and the like to make him look like a cannon. That's about the only thing I can think those two extra pieces do. So does anyone have any thoughts on how to make that work? Hell, they might just prop up the rear of the tank...
Edit: Found another weird, out of place piece.
On his left shoulder, there's a small cap that folds down to cover up the ball joint. If you look closely, there's an orange part there on a hinge. When you open it, it opens up into a small, unadorned hook. I think this is part of the alt form too, as it again seems to serve no practical purpose in robot or tank form... Well, the instructions indicate it is part of the robot form's decoration, but I don't really buy that.
That said, it is awesome to have a small scale puzzleformer. I had about 3 joints pop off whilst transforming him for the first time, but they all went back on smoothly. He just has a very massive feeling to him. I can't imagine what he must've been like in larger scale with that huge arm cannon!
... So am I the only one thinking he has an alternate transformation somewhere in there? He has a huge backpack with missile launchers on them that start life as his rear treads. But what makes me think he has an alt transformation is what is hidden in there. The instructions prompt you to pull out two triangular pieces that seem to have absolutely no function whatsoever. They don't add anything aesthetically, and they look like feet of all things!
Here's my thought: Somewhere this guy has a transform that looks like his G1 self, with side bracing and the like to make him look like a cannon. That's about the only thing I can think those two extra pieces do. So does anyone have any thoughts on how to make that work? Hell, they might just prop up the rear of the tank...
Edit: Found another weird, out of place piece.
On his left shoulder, there's a small cap that folds down to cover up the ball joint. If you look closely, there's an orange part there on a hinge. When you open it, it opens up into a small, unadorned hook. I think this is part of the alt form too, as it again seems to serve no practical purpose in robot or tank form... Well, the instructions indicate it is part of the robot form's decoration, but I don't really buy that.
Poor mighty Galvatron, the most powerful Transformer this side of Unicron, made puny. I'll agree with all of the other posters though..I really dig his transformation, I can get a lot of personality out of the madman's poses too. He's just too small for classics/ universe and he's painted poorly. TAKARA YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO! FIX HIM AND I'LL BUY FIVE!!! Until then he'll just hang with my Robotmasters. While I wait for the next Galvatron figure. 
Crud! I was hoping to give my wallet a little break by skipping Universe Deluxe Wave 2, but the little gray tank is starting to get me curious... 
QUOTE (Athenor @ Aug 4 2008, 12:59 AM)
Yes, it is VERY obvious this guy was meant to be a bigger size. The complexity o the transform, combined with the articulation and detail, makes this very obvious.
That said, it is awesome to have a small scale puzzleformer. I had about 3 joints pop off whilst transforming him for the first time, but they all went back on smoothly. He just has a very massive feeling to him. I can't imagine what he must've been like in larger scale with that huge arm cannon!
... So am I the only one thinking he has an alternate transformation somewhere in there? He has a huge backpack with missile launchers on them that start life as his rear treads. But what makes me think he has an alt transformation is what is hidden in there. The instructions prompt you to pull out two triangular pieces that seem to have absolutely no function whatsoever. They don't add anything aesthetically, and they look like feet of all things!
Here's my thought: Somewhere this guy has a transform that looks like his G1 self, with side bracing and the like to make him look like a cannon. That's about the only thing I can think those two extra pieces do. So does anyone have any thoughts on how to make that work? Hell, they might just prop up the rear of the tank...
Edit: Found another weird, out of place piece.
On his left shoulder, there's a small cap that folds down to cover up the ball joint. If you look closely, there's an orange part there on a hinge. When you open it, it opens up into a small, unadorned hook. I think this is part of the alt form too, as it again seems to serve no practical purpose in robot or tank form... Well, the instructions indicate it is part of the robot form's decoration, but I don't really buy that.
That said, it is awesome to have a small scale puzzleformer. I had about 3 joints pop off whilst transforming him for the first time, but they all went back on smoothly. He just has a very massive feeling to him. I can't imagine what he must've been like in larger scale with that huge arm cannon!
... So am I the only one thinking he has an alternate transformation somewhere in there? He has a huge backpack with missile launchers on them that start life as his rear treads. But what makes me think he has an alt transformation is what is hidden in there. The instructions prompt you to pull out two triangular pieces that seem to have absolutely no function whatsoever. They don't add anything aesthetically, and they look like feet of all things!
Here's my thought: Somewhere this guy has a transform that looks like his G1 self, with side bracing and the like to make him look like a cannon. That's about the only thing I can think those two extra pieces do. So does anyone have any thoughts on how to make that work? Hell, they might just prop up the rear of the tank...
Edit: Found another weird, out of place piece.
On his left shoulder, there's a small cap that folds down to cover up the ball joint. If you look closely, there's an orange part there on a hinge. When you open it, it opens up into a small, unadorned hook. I think this is part of the alt form too, as it again seems to serve no practical purpose in robot or tank form... Well, the instructions indicate it is part of the robot form's decoration, but I don't really buy that.
That's really interesting. Is nobody else going to comment on it? I don't have the mold, but this is making me want Galvy more...
~Matt Booker
QUOTE (Hellscream333 @ Aug 3 2008, 03:42 PM)
Just bought mine today and the only things that popped off were the tank treads that fold onto the back and that's because I applied too much force. Not because it's a bad toy. In fact, It's a great fargin toy! Those of you batching about the size of the figure seem to be missing something in life. I'm not sure what it is but the size of a toy matters not when it's transformation, posability and kick ass alt mode are all..... kick ass. I think he's great.
I think he's great.I have not seen wave 2 here yet...unfortunatley. But I have been anticipating this figure for months. I hope he still kicks @$$, in spite of his known issues. I am not ham-fisted with my TFs, so it will likely not be an issue with me.
The only reason I'd ever buy a Galvatron figure is if he came with pre-recorded Leonard Nimoy lines. Galvatron is way ghey, IMO.
EDIT: Robot Hero and HOC Galvatron figures do not count because I have those.
EDIT: Robot Hero and HOC Galvatron figures do not count because I have those.
QUOTE (Stormtrooper53 @ Aug 5 2008, 08:02 AM)
The only reason I'd ever buy a Galvatron figure is if he came with pre-recorded Leonard Nimoy lines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFR-8NVjw-k
~Matt Booker
QUOTE (Matt Booker @ Aug 5 2008, 12:56 AM)
QUOTE (Athenor @ Aug 4 2008, 12:59 AM)
Yes, it is VERY obvious this guy was meant to be a bigger size. The complexity o the transform, combined with the articulation and detail, makes this very obvious.
That said, it is awesome to have a small scale puzzleformer. I had about 3 joints pop off whilst transforming him for the first time, but they all went back on smoothly. He just has a very massive feeling to him. I can't imagine what he must've been like in larger scale with that huge arm cannon!
... So am I the only one thinking he has an alternate transformation somewhere in there? He has a huge backpack with missile launchers on them that start life as his rear treads. But what makes me think he has an alt transformation is what is hidden in there. The instructions prompt you to pull out two triangular pieces that seem to have absolutely no function whatsoever. They don't add anything aesthetically, and they look like feet of all things!
Here's my thought: Somewhere this guy has a transform that looks like his G1 self, with side bracing and the like to make him look like a cannon. That's about the only thing I can think those two extra pieces do. So does anyone have any thoughts on how to make that work? Hell, they might just prop up the rear of the tank...
Edit: Found another weird, out of place piece.
On his left shoulder, there's a small cap that folds down to cover up the ball joint. If you look closely, there's an orange part there on a hinge. When you open it, it opens up into a small, unadorned hook. I think this is part of the alt form too, as it again seems to serve no practical purpose in robot or tank form... Well, the instructions indicate it is part of the robot form's decoration, but I don't really buy that.
That said, it is awesome to have a small scale puzzleformer. I had about 3 joints pop off whilst transforming him for the first time, but they all went back on smoothly. He just has a very massive feeling to him. I can't imagine what he must've been like in larger scale with that huge arm cannon!
... So am I the only one thinking he has an alternate transformation somewhere in there? He has a huge backpack with missile launchers on them that start life as his rear treads. But what makes me think he has an alt transformation is what is hidden in there. The instructions prompt you to pull out two triangular pieces that seem to have absolutely no function whatsoever. They don't add anything aesthetically, and they look like feet of all things!
Here's my thought: Somewhere this guy has a transform that looks like his G1 self, with side bracing and the like to make him look like a cannon. That's about the only thing I can think those two extra pieces do. So does anyone have any thoughts on how to make that work? Hell, they might just prop up the rear of the tank...
Edit: Found another weird, out of place piece.
On his left shoulder, there's a small cap that folds down to cover up the ball joint. If you look closely, there's an orange part there on a hinge. When you open it, it opens up into a small, unadorned hook. I think this is part of the alt form too, as it again seems to serve no practical purpose in robot or tank form... Well, the instructions indicate it is part of the robot form's decoration, but I don't really buy that.
That's really interesting. Is nobody else going to comment on it? I don't have the mold, but this is making me want Galvy more...
~Matt Booker
Not much to say really. I noticed the parts during his first transform (before I even got out of TRu's parking lot) but have since had little time to mess around and figure something out. I'm willing to bet that they're left over parts. Meaning, during the design process when/if they scaled him down he probably had another mode that they cut out/simplified him and either forgot to take these out or simply left them in for cost measures. Who knows...... I do know that eventually someone will make a fan mode.
i finally got mine and intend to work on this alt alt mode when I get home tonight. something about the robot feet...they could be the other base feet for the mode, it looks like the legs have a way to lock in another way also. so i'll see what I can do.
QUOTE (Nomolos @ Aug 16 2008, 01:53 PM)
i finally got mine and intend to work on this alt alt mode when I get home tonight. something about the robot feet...they could be the other base feet for the mode, it looks like the legs have a way to lock in another way also. so i'll see what I can do.
~Matt Booker
I have Galvatron. I like it, but no one complaining about this toy is wrong either.
QUOTE (Matt Booker @ Aug 16 2008, 07:05 PM)
Beware of... The Revenge of the Tank Cannon!
well I worked with it for quite some time and I don't have anything that seems to be true poseable solid alt mode. I did find some interesting ideas but none of them worked together. def nothing pic worthy. sorry, someone with either more time or a better imagination needs to take a whack at it.
Hm....
so i guess this means he's out now? excellent, i'll have to go pic him up
*has never owned a galvatron.... and only one megatron >_< *
so i guess this means he's out now? excellent, i'll have to go pic him up
*has never owned a galvatron.... and only one megatron >_< *
found galvatron last night. i couldn't believe all the part that just came off even following the directions. i thought it was just all you clumsy meatheads that couldn't make him transform without fumbleing something off but that is ridiculous. and what is with all the extra parts and joints.
QUOTE (slugpitcher @ Aug 19 2008, 07:58 AM)
found galvatron last night. i couldn't believe all the part that just came off even following the directions. i thought it was just all you clumsy meatheads that couldn't make him transform without fumbleing something off but that is ridiculous. and what is with all the extra parts and joints.
idk but he's one of the least pleasing bots i've purchased in a long time. i was really psyched about him, but now i'm considering returning him. of course i haven't had any time to fool with him yet, just one quick transformation and then a transformation back. i should probably break him out today and pose him a little... but that means i gotta put down onslaught
^ I felt the same way about Onslaught as you do about Galvy, then I took out his batteries, slipped off the rubber tire on his gimmick wheel, and glued the front wheel parts onto their connectors so they'd stay on. Now he's pretty damn sweet.
QUOTE (Buddykiller @ Aug 19 2008, 08:29 AM)
QUOTE (slugpitcher @ Aug 19 2008, 07:58 AM)
found galvatron last night. i couldn't believe all the part that just came off even following the directions. i thought it was just all you clumsy meatheads that couldn't make him transform without fumbleing something off but that is ridiculous. and what is with all the extra parts and joints.
idk but he's one of the least pleasing bots i've purchased in a long time. i was really psyched about him, but now i'm considering returning him. of course i haven't had any time to fool with him yet, just one quick transformation and then a transformation back. i should probably break him out today and pose him a little... but that means i gotta put down onslaught
i messed with him quite a bit last night, just left greencracker in the package so far, and decided alt mode win, robot mode barely win, transformation win, construction
, size
Just picked up UC2.0 Galvatron.
Ingenius transformation. I mean a lot of thought went into this one.
It's got nice detailing, especially for a dlx, but as mentioned elsewhere, the joints aren't the greatest.
It feel's more like a movie dlx; all of the flimsiness and none of the automorph to blame it on.
However he feels, though, he definitely looks badass and imposing... if it weren't so small.
Ingenius transformation. I mean a lot of thought went into this one.
It's got nice detailing, especially for a dlx, but as mentioned elsewhere, the joints aren't the greatest.
It feel's more like a movie dlx; all of the flimsiness and none of the automorph to blame it on.
However he feels, though, he definitely looks badass and imposing... if it weren't so small.
QUOTE (Matt Booker @ Aug 16 2008, 06:05 PM)
The little feet are roffles.
Saw him tonight, passed him up.
Looks cool. But eh, still a pass for me.
QUOTE (Nemesis Prime 2K @ Aug 3 2008, 12:09 PM)
Ok, so I'm seeing/reading about how Galvatron has been sighted in TRU's all over. Well, I was out last night and saw him, so I figured yeah (why not). I opened him today and I must say that I don't think I've been more disappointed in a tf (in all my life as a collector). I will say that the pic on the back does look pretty sweet!
First, I was surprised on the size. I was expecting voyager or even ultra. I mean to finally get a Galvy for the U line, Ijust expected more (maybe my fault).
Second, I don't think I've had as much pieces/joints pop out of a tf when transforming him as I did w/ this guy. His legs have little ball joints that pop out at the knees.
Third, his arm/cannon popped off. Took me a couple of minutes to try to get the oragne hinge back in. (the list could go on but I'll stop).
Don't get me wrong! W/ all tf's I expect there to be flaws, but I was just amazed/disappointed w/ what I saw. Hopefully, it was just me. I'd love it if someone responded by saying I was crazy that their Galvy was really cool.
Standing up on my shelf, he will look cool though.
First, I was surprised on the size. I was expecting voyager or even ultra. I mean to finally get a Galvy for the U line, Ijust expected more (maybe my fault).
Second, I don't think I've had as much pieces/joints pop out of a tf when transforming him as I did w/ this guy. His legs have little ball joints that pop out at the knees.
Third, his arm/cannon popped off. Took me a couple of minutes to try to get the oragne hinge back in. (the list could go on but I'll stop).
Don't get me wrong! W/ all tf's I expect there to be flaws, but I was just amazed/disappointed w/ what I saw. Hopefully, it was just me. I'd love it if someone responded by saying I was crazy that their Galvy was really cool.
Standing up on my shelf, he will look cool though.
im with you i have had every problem you have had. but he dose look good once all is said and done.
thats a awsome 3 mode.
Universe Galvatron is easily the worst Transformer that I've seen in a while. The quality of the plastic sucks. It falls apart really easily. I honestly prefer Beast Wars Injector over this Galvatron. It's that bad.
QUOTE (Caine @ Aug 26 2008, 06:09 PM)
Looks cool. But eh, still a pass for me.
The little seat area is awesome, the front looks awesome and GWunny, but from the side it looks like a blown up tank.
thats so sweet. that makes alot of seance. now the question is did they do that on purpose ??
I was told on another messageboard that all the figure needs to be good is a little super glue. WTH? When did Transformers become model kits?
No, your not the only one. I can't stand the figure myself.
QUOTE (AutobotMaximal @ Aug 28 2008, 06:13 AM)
I was told on another messageboard that all the figure needs to be good is a little super glue. WTH? When did Transformers become model kits?
What makes you think they haven't always been model kits?
QUOTE (Yuyuyami @ Aug 27 2008, 01:28 PM)
QUOTE (Caine @ Aug 26 2008, 06:09 PM)
Looks cool. But eh, still a pass for me.
The little seat area is awesome, the front looks awesome and GWunny, but from the side it looks like a blown up tank.
Now I really can't wait to get him.
QUOTE (AutobotMaximal @ Aug 28 2008, 07:13 AM)
I was told on another messageboard that all the figure needs to be good is a little super glue. WTH? When did Transformers become model kits?
About the same time that you first lost G1 Prime's fists.
I always look at TFs as both toys, and occasionally as model kits.
Transformers are like Gundam on crack.
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