QUOTE (Lord Madhammer @ Aug 1 2008, 04:59 PM)

QUOTE (Agent Zero @ Aug 1 2008, 03:58 PM)

Some people, however, cross a line, mental illness or not. The murderer on that Manitoba bus didn't just kill a guy as a result of whatever illness he had, he killed him, cut off the head, and carried it around with him. That's a whole other ballpark from someone just having a nervous breakdown and shooting someone else.
I'm not saying kill him (I don't believe in the death penalty), but I don't believe that state should waste resources trying to rehabilitate a man who is so far gone, when they could be spending those resources on someone who can be helped.
Some people, despite the best of intentions on the part of the state, can not be helped. Just keep them in a cell for the rest of their natural life, and provide basic services.
I'm not a psychiatrist
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If someone kills someone else in a robbery gone wrong, they should be given a chance at rehabilitation.
If someone snaps, has a nervous breakdown, and kills someone then they should be given a chance at rehabilitation.
If someone stabs a man to death, cuts off the body's head and walks around with the head, then proceeds to hack away at the dead body some more, well that's a different ballgame altogether.
Acting like Jason Voorhees IRL tells me this guy's beyond saving, and again, I don't want him released back into normal society given the especially violent nature of this crime. Kill him? No, the death penalty doesn't exist in Canada (accept for "high treason"), besides, I don't believe in that anyway. Just lock him up in a cell for life with no chance at appeal. Give him a toilet, a bed, and three meals a day.
Sometimes there are people that are just beyond saving. To deny that this is true is simply naive. There are just some very sick people out there.
QUOTE (FREEFALLL666 @ Aug 2 2008, 06:48 AM)

OK two role models for people who inspire good. Booker-T of WWE and Dogg The Bounty-Hunter would be dead if all murderers were executed.
I'm not suggesting they kill him, just lock him up for life.
And you really can't compare the nature of the murders committed by Booker T and Dogg the Bounty-Hunter to what Vince Weiguang Li (the suspect in the Manitoba bus killing) did.