Full Version: Rob Liefeld
Rob Liefeld had his good run with Youngbloods and Cable, but since then he's lost his touch. His new characters are based off of Marvel characters, or his greatest character, Cable. Not only that but he has an affinity for putting numerous pouches on characters and drawing weapons after the hands. I don't completely hate the guy though, for a self-taught artist, you gotta give him some credit. Not only that, but he did give us some great characters like Shatterstar, and Cable. Along with the comic company Image, which produced some good comics. What do you guys think of him?
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This isn't a discussion so much as a: "hai come listen to me rant but i am too dumb to type anything more than one sentence so thar. ceiling cat and stuffs"
So anyway, Leifeld sold a new spec to WB and Bryan Singer based on a Graphic Novel he's finishing. So as much as I think WB just Self-pwned themselves out of business (Speed Racer, Watchmen, Singer, Leifeld) I think Leifeld is doing something right.
And Anatomy has never been a strong point in super hero comics so badmouthing Leifeld's anatomy is shortsighted and ignorant.
I'm not a huge fan of his work or anything but... sheesh grow up people.
This isn't a discussion so much as a: "hai come listen to me rant but i am too dumb to type anything more than one sentence so thar. ceiling cat and stuffs"
So anyway, Leifeld sold a new spec to WB and Bryan Singer based on a Graphic Novel he's finishing. So as much as I think WB just Self-pwned themselves out of business (Speed Racer, Watchmen, Singer, Leifeld) I think Leifeld is doing something right.
And Anatomy has never been a strong point in super hero comics so badmouthing Leifeld's anatomy is shortsighted and ignorant.
I'm not a huge fan of his work or anything but... sheesh grow up people.
Fix'd, I'll admit I should've added more substance to my post Hunter Rose, which I have now. And I wasn't simply trying to garner attention, I was merely trying to find out what people what thought about him. No back to topic:
That's interesting that their making a movie based on one of his un-published stories. What's it about? Or has it not been confirmed?
That's interesting that their making a movie based on one of his un-published stories. What's it about? Or has it not been confirmed?
I was all about Extreme Studios in high school. When I pull out those books now and look through them, I shake my head and feel a little embarrassed.
Some of them weren't that bad Hobbes.
QUOTE (Evil Exe @ Jul 23 2008, 12:58 PM) 
That's interesting that their making a movie based on one of his un-published stories. What's it about? Or has it not been confirmed?
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J.P. Lavin and Chad Damiani will write the screenplay, which follows two down-on-their-luck slackers who specialize in shooting videos of superheroes. They find themselves on the run when they uncover evidence that a legendary superhero actually is evil.
I like the concept. Its like Paparazzi meets Hancock or something right?
Sounds like a story for Kevin Smith though... I am not sure I would trust Liefeld or Singer to develop it.
As for why it's been sold before being published - I think he's probably making the book as Hollywood bait to begin with - and is sending out ashcans or specs or roughs etc. He was probably pitching it to publishers and studios at the same time.
But if its a good concept, and I kinda think it is, then more power to him.
Yeah, I like it too. He might just be able to make it back to the top 
And it could redeem the paparazzi 
I actually like the idea of comics written in mind for movies, there was one at SDCC, that I think was based on that idea.
And it could redeem the paparazzi I actually like the idea of comics written in mind for movies, there was one at SDCC, that I think was based on that idea.
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Jul 23 2008, 01:00 PM)
I was all about Extreme Studios in high school. When I pull out those books now and look through them, I shake my head and feel a little embarrassed.
QUOTE (Evil Exe @ Jul 23 2008, 01:03 PM)
Some of them weren't that bad Hobbes.
A lot of people are quick to denounce the Image group. And to be sure, Erik Larsen is the only one who is actually living the dream that IMAGE promised. Everyone else "sold out" or "quit". so to speak.
But I do find it hard to condemn those creators, because I was 11 when Image started and if you weren't into comics at that time then its hard to understand the Amazing shockwaves and sense of excitement that went through the industry. Granted I was percieving it as an 11 year old would... but still it was a pretty powerful statement.
It was like Obama Meets Batman or something....
QUOTE (Evil Exe @ Jul 23 2008, 12:03 PM)
Some of them weren't that bad Hobbes.
I guess I didn't manage to buy those issues.
Spawn and Savage Dragon and StormWatch all hold up pretty well. But Brigade? Team Youngblood? Troll?
What the hell was I thinking?
SUPREME!
We have 5 pages worth of Rob Liefeldian aimed bile spewing right here: http://forums.TFormers.com/talk/index.php?showtopic=61392
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Jul 23 2008, 03:35 PM)
QUOTE (Evil Exe @ Jul 23 2008, 12:03 PM)
Some of them weren't that bad Hobbes.
I guess I didn't manage to buy those issues.
Spawn and Savage Dragon and StormWatch all hold up pretty well. But Brigade? Team Youngblood? Troll?
What the hell was I thinking?
I blame Wizard.
What about Bedro-er-Badrock? Phew, nearly forgot about that lawsuit! He was one of the more prominent copied characters. By the way check out this picture, it's a character that was created using Rob Liefelds methods:
Those methods are:
1.Draw Cable Body
1a.Draw Grotesquely Misshapen Forearms
1b.Draw Tiny Feet
1c.Draw Humongous Muscles
1d.Draw Large "Package"
2.Draw Weapons With Two Barrels
2a.Must Be Drawn After Hands
3.Draw Millions of Pouches
Isn't drawing like Liefeld fun and easy?
Those methods are:
1.Draw Cable Body
1a.Draw Grotesquely Misshapen Forearms
1b.Draw Tiny Feet
1c.Draw Humongous Muscles
1d.Draw Large "Package"
2.Draw Weapons With Two Barrels
2a.Must Be Drawn After Hands
3.Draw Millions of Pouches
Isn't drawing like Liefeld fun and easy?
QUOTE (Hunter Rose @ Jul 23 2008, 01:45 PM)
And Anatomy has never been a strong point in super hero comics so badmouthing Leifeld's anatomy is shortsighted and ignorant.
True, but Liefeld's worse than most.
atleast he was consistantly bad. what about steven platt? he drew the most bad ass covers or pin up, but as soon as you opened the book the art was super lame with little or no detail. it was like 2 people. liefelds covers, pinups, and actual comic art was all the same.
QUOTE (Hunter Rose @ Jul 23 2008, 04:08 PM)
Granted I was percieving it as an 11 year old would...
See, that's the thing. In retrospect, you might not realize that Liefeld was indeed pretty bad. I didn't realize this until I stumbled upon some of my old old X-Force comics recently. I liken the whole thing to the G1 Transformers toon. Because of the nostalgia factor, I remembered it being far better than it actually was. I still love it, but I just roffle when watching it sometimes as an adult. I agree with you about Liefeld not being the only sub-par artist though. And, the introduction of Image comics was indeed an exciting shake-up in the comics industry at the time.
@ poor Texeira's Supreme. I had such high hopes for one of the most dynamic artists to ever grace the pages of Wolverine. His style was so graphic and raw.
You misread my post - I was discussing the influence the entire IMAGE group had on the comic industry. That Image group included Leifeld.
I still feel that the creation of Image was a milestone in the comics industry -but it might not have been as earth shattering as the 11 year old thought it was.
As much as we internet jockeys want to sit here and lob insults from the sidelines - Leifeld has achieved a very real level of success.
I still feel that the creation of Image was a milestone in the comics industry -but it might not have been as earth shattering as the 11 year old thought it was.
As much as we internet jockeys want to sit here and lob insults from the sidelines - Leifeld has achieved a very real level of success.
Hunter loves Rob Liefeld, Hunter loves Rob Liefeld I find it very difficult to respect ANY artist, regardless of how successful, who refuses to evolve artistically over 20 years. His art now is the same damn thing he was drawing when he was on The New Mutants. Just because he was Todd McFarlane's inker does NOT make him a good artist in his own right. Plus, he was A TRACER FOR POOP'S SAKE.
QUOTE (Evil Exe @ Jul 23 2008, 08:14 PM)
What about Bedro-er-Badrock? Phew, nearly forgot about that lawsuit! He was one of the more prominent copied characters. By the way check out this picture, it's a character that was created using Rob Liefelds methods:
Those methods are:
1.Draw Cable Body
1a.Draw Grotesquely Misshapen Forearms
1b.Draw Tiny Feet
1c.Draw Humongous Muscles
1d.Draw Large "Package"
2.Draw Weapons With Two Barrels
2a.Must Be Drawn After Hands
3.Draw Millions of Pouches
Isn't drawing like Liefeld fun and easy?
Those methods are:
1.Draw Cable Body
1a.Draw Grotesquely Misshapen Forearms
1b.Draw Tiny Feet
1c.Draw Humongous Muscles
1d.Draw Large "Package"
2.Draw Weapons With Two Barrels
2a.Must Be Drawn After Hands
3.Draw Millions of Pouches
Isn't drawing like Liefeld fun and easy?
THAT is freaking funny.
He is a decent artist IMO. That's all I have to say.
QUOTE (Hunter Rose @ Jul 24 2008, 09:52 PM)
I still feel that the creation of Image was a milestone in the comics industry -but it might not have been as earth shattering as the 11 year old thought it was.
As much as we internet jockeys want to sit here and lob insults from the sidelines - Leifeld has achieved a very real level of success.
As much as we internet jockeys want to sit here and lob insults from the sidelines - Leifeld has achieved a very real level of success.
Agreed and agreed.
QUOTE (Cool Hand Lube @ Jul 24 2008, 11:04 PM)
QUOTE (Evil Exe @ Jul 23 2008, 08:14 PM)
What about Bedro-er-Badrock? Phew, nearly forgot about that lawsuit! He was one of the more prominent copied characters. By the way check out this picture, it's a character that was created using Rob Liefelds methods:
Those methods are:
1.Draw Cable Body
1a.Draw Grotesquely Misshapen Forearms
1b.Draw Tiny Feet
1c.Draw Humongous Muscles
1d.Draw Large "Package"
2.Draw Weapons With Two Barrels
2a.Must Be Drawn After Hands
3.Draw Millions of Pouches
Isn't drawing like Liefeld fun and easy?
Those methods are:
1.Draw Cable Body
1a.Draw Grotesquely Misshapen Forearms
1b.Draw Tiny Feet
1c.Draw Humongous Muscles
1d.Draw Large "Package"
2.Draw Weapons With Two Barrels
2a.Must Be Drawn After Hands
3.Draw Millions of Pouches
Isn't drawing like Liefeld fun and easy?
THAT is freaking funny.Thank you, that was culminated from just about every terrible Rob Liefeld drawing. But I'm gonna give him this, he's a very decent self-taught artist, he could use a couple lessons though. Hey, has anyone seen this yet? It's a pretty good sampling of his worst work.
http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html
Pardon the language, and I apologize if not all the images load.
QUOTE (Evil Exe @ Jul 24 2008, 10:17 PM)
OK - I will never defend Leifeld again.
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Garth Ennis having Superman demand dreamsicles in a comic
IS THAT TRUE?!
*Reading that article*
This is the best insult ever: "It's like when your friend decides he wants to write X-Files fan fiction, but instead of writing his own episodes of the X-Files they're all stories about Mulder and Scully hanging out with their new friend YOUR FRIEND. There is absolutely zero humor or creativity going into it, Liefeld just drew a goddamned Lobo comic, and because he goes LOOK GUYS IT'S LOBO I'M SELF AWARE it's supposed to excuse the fact that he's a lickshot with the artistic ability of 2 girls with 1 cup."
Also, that is the best word censor ever.
This is the best insult ever: "It's like when your friend decides he wants to write X-Files fan fiction, but instead of writing his own episodes of the X-Files they're all stories about Mulder and Scully hanging out with their new friend YOUR FRIEND. There is absolutely zero humor or creativity going into it, Liefeld just drew a goddamned Lobo comic, and because he goes LOOK GUYS IT'S LOBO I'M SELF AWARE it's supposed to excuse the fact that he's a lickshot with the artistic ability of 2 girls with 1 cup."
Also, that is the best word censor ever.
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In "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way," "Drawing Comics in the Style of Detective Comics Comics," "Aping Shot the Valiant Way," and every other drawing tutorial I've been a part of, it clearly says that every line you draw on a person's face adds to their age. When you're drawing children or sexy young women you give them clean surfaces to suggest youth and a tightness of veins, and when you draw Clint Eastwood in an eyepatch hanging out with Gen 13 you draw all over his face to let people know he's old. Depending on who you talk to, every line can equal a year added onto the life of your character.
Shaft, the young leader of rogue operative team "Youngblood," is 900 years old. And he's looking through really fine blinds. Also, his head is on fire. Image Comics is about living for the moment and taking it to the extreme, they didn't have time to learn that when you stick your head in a shadow it blocks the light on both your face AND your hair. Doing research for the Lion King? Let Disney Comics go to powergliding Africa and look at how lions work, draw the lion from a point of view no man can see, and when the ink is still wet, run a comb over it.
Isn't it funny that when asked to create a universe of characters for his own comic book line Rob Liefeld draws a guy who looks exactly like Rob Liefeld and names him "Shaft?"
Shaft, the young leader of rogue operative team "Youngblood," is 900 years old. And he's looking through really fine blinds. Also, his head is on fire. Image Comics is about living for the moment and taking it to the extreme, they didn't have time to learn that when you stick your head in a shadow it blocks the light on both your face AND your hair. Doing research for the Lion King? Let Disney Comics go to powergliding Africa and look at how lions work, draw the lion from a point of view no man can see, and when the ink is still wet, run a comb over it.
Isn't it funny that when asked to create a universe of characters for his own comic book line Rob Liefeld draws a guy who looks exactly like Rob Liefeld and names him "Shaft?"
I really liked that part. Had to censor it though, but still, it gives you a perspective of how stupid Liefeld is at times.
QUOTE (Hunter Rose @ Jul 25 2008, 02:32 AM)
QUOTE (Evil Exe @ Jul 24 2008, 10:17 PM)
OK - I will never defend Leifeld again.
I don't think anybody could Hunter. Probably not even Liefeld himself. Sheesh. How does he sleep at night?
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How does he sleep at night?
Face down on his pillow in a pool of tears, clutching his Conan sword?
QUOTE (Hadlen Weltall @ Jul 25 2008, 04:26 PM)
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How does he sleep at night?
Face down on his pillow in a pool of tears, clutching his Conan sword?
Nice, I bet he cries "Aaaanold" at night.
QUOTE (Evil Exe @ Jul 25 2008, 10:37 AM)
I don't think anybody could Hunter. Probably not even Liefeld himself. Sheesh. How does he sleep at night?
OK, I think that's going too far. yes, he sucks and occasionally rips stuff off, but come on. He's not Greg Half Of My Art Is Ripping People Off And The Other Half Is Boring Land.
Well I will give Leifield credit for actually drawing stuff, becase recently I picked up the new Invincible Iron Man, read a couple pages and put it right back down because the artist either just traced pictures from off the internet, or the digital texturing looked like a fricken desktop wall paper. And last but not least it made me sick for how they borrowed a backdrop that really feels inappropriate dispite the scene.
http://comicsnewsi.net/g/index.php?mode=vi...600&start=0
Panel 1. Nuff Said.
http://comicsnewsi.net/g/index.php?mode=vi...600&start=0
Panel 1. Nuff Said.
QUOTE (Hadlen Weltall @ Jul 28 2008, 05:36 AM)
And last but not least it made me sick for how they borrowed a backdrop that really feels inappropriate dispite the scene.
http://comicsnewsi.net/g/index.php?mode=vi...600&start=0
Panel 1. Nuff Said.
http://comicsnewsi.net/g/index.php?mode=vi...600&start=0
Panel 1. Nuff Said.
...I don't understand how the first panel is inappropriate to the rest of the scene...maybe I need more context.
I think maybe it's a bit 9/11-ish? 
BTW anyone who draws people for a living and who hasn't taken anatomy courses is FAIL.
BTW anyone who draws people for a living and who hasn't taken anatomy courses is FAIL.
Its a traced image of the collapsed section of wall from the towers. You open any newspaper from the day and there's that one image.
Link/Comparison?
*stolen from the other Liefeld bashing thread:*
hax
I've seen that one CHL. It's his worst.
Did Leifeld actually do the second one?
Yes he did.
Wow.... He really loves working on the bulging...
Oh he "works the bulge" alright. He "works the bulge" big time...
That was a sexual innuendo.
At least he doesn't suck as much as Pat Lee. Then again, that's not saying much.
Are you high?
Rob Liefeld can't draw - but Pat Lee can't draw or sign a paycheque.
Ok, you for 2 reasons:
Reason #1: Pat Lee may be a douchebag of a person, but he can draw, and deserves some amount of recognition for that. Rob Liefeld CAN NOT draw at all, and yet continues to work.
Reason #2: You used the non-USA spelling of "check" (Cheque), and therefore are inferior. But your money's probably worth more than ours so...I guess you still win.
for 2 reasons:Reason #1: Pat Lee may be a douchebag of a person, but he can draw, and deserves some amount of recognition for that. Rob Liefeld CAN NOT draw at all, and yet continues to work.
Reason #2: You used the non-USA spelling of "check" (Cheque), and therefore are inferior. But your money's probably worth more than ours so...I guess you still win.
Off topic: Your sig just reminded me of how everyone on TV in the early 90's looked like Vanilla Ice.
QUOTE (Cool Hand Lube @ Aug 12 2008, 09:24 PM)
Ok, you for 2 reasons:
Reason #1: Pat Lee may be a douchebag of a person, but he can draw, and deserves some amount of recognition for that. Rob Liefeld CAN NOT draw at all, and yet continues to work.
Reason #2: You used the non-USA spelling of "check" (Cheque), and therefore are inferior. But your money's probably worth more than ours so...I guess you still win.
for 2 reasons:Reason #1: Pat Lee may be a douchebag of a person, but he can draw, and deserves some amount of recognition for that. Rob Liefeld CAN NOT draw at all, and yet continues to work.
Reason #2: You used the non-USA spelling of "check" (Cheque), and therefore are inferior. But your money's probably worth more than ours so...I guess you still win.
All kidding aside, Pat Lee's style is bad with its own merits - I just think Lee's style of drawing robots (i.e. disproportioned, puffed up, and tiny head) is just as bad (if not worse) than Liefeld's disproportioned, bulging, and tiny headed people drawings.
In any case, both artists rakes in truckloads of cash so I guess they still win.
How was liefield's and loeb's Avengers series???
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