Not that I was voting for this clown anyhow

I find that surprising considering your position on CEOs and tax breaks and the working man's wage and shareholders and stuffs like that...unless you meant you were voting for the Green Party or something.

I think you have me somewhat misunderstood.

I don't want to argue but most of the people I know who were adults in the 80's remember reagan as a good president. not perfect, they all screw up. but good.

Ok, my take on the video:


I like how it repeatedly says "Barack Hussein Obama" and even states that those are three Muslim names. Barack Hussein Obama. Barack Hussein Obama. Barack Hussein Obama. HOLY shot OMFG fargING RUN AWAY AAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHH" (his name is actually Swahili FYI)

I like how it displays Reagan as a great president (which certainly wasn't the feeling people had when he was president.)

I like how it says we should scrutinise all aspects of a persons life before they are elected president, and then shows the cocaine snorting, alcoholic, multiple-business-failing-only-saved-by-Daddy's-connections, draft dodging Bush.

Obama attended a secular PUBLIC school in Jakarta. The students of the school where predominantly Muslim (as is the population of Indonesia), but calling it a Muslim school makes no more sense than calling the public school I went to as a child a Catholic school.

Obama voting record is relatively clear, in fact it is certainly more clear than McCain's. McCain has avoided voting so frequently that the only senator who has voted less than him, has a brain tumor. Senator Ted Kennedy, who requires daily treatment, has now officially voted more times in the last few months than John McCain. And Kennedy's only voted once since being diagnosed on May 20.
John McCain: Missed 374 votes (61.8% of total)
Barack Obama: Missed 263 votes (43.5% of total) *both numbers have probably changed by now.

Yes. There was a Che flag tacked onto the wall of an office in Barack Obama’s Houston campaign headquarters. An office belonging, apparently, to a low level staffer who’s in charge of setting up the office. Not in their main office, not the lobby, not the entrance, but low level staffer's personal office. And it was taken down as soon as the media made it apparent to the Obama campaign, as I'm sure that Obama goes into everyone's office and hangs Che flags....

Technically, and I'll be willing to be corrected on this, isn't it only "compulsory" to put your hand on your heart during the pledge of allegience? Don't you just have to stand in a respectful manner and sing for the national anthem? (this is one of those weird American culture things I don't get)

Michelle Obama said "for the first time in my life I am proud", and later that day in another speech stating "for the first time in my life I am REALLY proud". So either she screwed up her script, or she altered her script after the controversy. Your pick. Although, if you're going to attack a candidate's wife, how about Cindy McCain stealing money and getting false prescriptions written FROM THE CHARITY SHE WAS IN CHARGE OF to support her opiate habit. Or that she didn't lose custody of her children despite being a known drug user. Or that her super strong War on Drugs senator husband used his connections to let her avoid time in jail. If we're going to be hyperbolic about first ladies, who would you prefer, someone who wasn't proud of some of the things that the morally infallible nation of America has done, or a charity plundering drug fiend? (And this is without obsessing about John McCain's comment "I didn't really love America until I was deprived of her company")

Should we really start comparing statements from religious leaders that McCain actually sought the endorsement of?

Obama has denounced some things said by Wright, and has refused to judge Wright (which is coincidentally a Christian trait) due to the fact that Wright has experienced a very different US to the one that Obama experienced. Also, a quick explanation of what Liberation theology actually is, rather than what a few people do with it.

LIBERATION THEOLOGY
Liberation theology explores the possibility to fight against poverty by suppressing its source, which is sin. In doing so, they explore the relationship between Christian, particularly Roman Catholic, theology and political activism, particularly in areas of social justice, poverty and human rights. The main methodological innovation of liberation theology is to approach theology from the viewpoint of the economically poor and oppressed. According to Jon Sobrino, S.J., the poor are a privileged channel of God's grace. According to Phillip Berryman, liberation theology is "an interpretation of Christian faith through the poor's suffering, their struggle and hope, and a critique of society and the Catholic faith and Christianity through the eyes of the poor." However, there is neither unity of doctrine nor action. Liberation theology is not a finished doctrine, but many theologians working at the same time with similar approaches.

IT ORIGINATED IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, but was later adopted by Marxists in the 60's, as they were active in social sciences at that time. They then read the Bible from the new perspective and developed the ethical consequences that led many of them to an active participation in the political life, and to focus on Jesus Christ as not only the Redeemer but also the Liberator of the oppressed. It emphasizes the Christian mission to bring justice to the poor and oppressed, particularly through political activism. Some elements of certain liberation theologies have been rejected by the Catholic Church

BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY
This theology maintains that African Americans must be liberated from multiple forms of bondage ��" social, political, economic and religious. In this new formulation, Christian theology is a theology of liberation -- "a rational study of the being of God in the world in light of the existential situation of an oppressed community, relating the forces of liberation to the essence of the gospel, which is Jesus Christ," writes Cone. Black consciousness and the black experience of oppression orient black liberation theology -- i.e., one of victimization from white oppression.Liberation by NPR This liberation involves empowerment and seeks the right of self-definition, self-affirmation and self-determination.

James Cones is fairly non-controversial (as religious leaders go), and has stated that by "white people" he means he was generally writing about white churches that did nothing to oppose slavery and segregation and not about white people as individuals. (eg. The Southern Baptist Church which did not renounce using the Bible as a justification for slavery and white supremacy until June 20, 1995 when they issued a formal "Declaration of Repentance")

Yes, universal health care, gun control, and welfare makes you a communist country. Gee, it looks like practically every developed democratic capitalist country in the world is a big scary Che Guevera loving commie then...


OH NOES!! OBAMA WANTS TO TALK TO OTHER WORLD LEADERS WE DON'T AGREE WITH!!! Because pretending that you can't hear them works so well, and buys you so much credit on the international stage. And also, it's not US foreign policy to not talk to Iran, or North Kora, etc. It's just that current US foreign policy is to not to talk to them unless they do everything exactly as you want them to. Iran in particular has been making numerous diplomatic entreaties even while Cheney, Bush and even McCain spout rhetorical comments about how they want to obliterate Tehran.
P.S. McCain was also for this until he found out that the conservatives thought all foreigners were inherently evil. Then he changed his political position.


Obama has stated repeatedly that he'd rather show patriotism in actions, rather than "pretend" patriotism in wearing a pin.





So....... I've responded with a rebuttal to your post. Will you reply to it, or my post on the Real McCain, McCain's 61 politically convenient flip flops, or the ten extraordinarily bad gaffes he made in just a week? Or will you just post another lame arse reply of "git out of here yer damn foreigner! "?

Or, you know, reply in any post that was made by anybody about something bad McCain has done?



P.S. As long as we're brining up things from 20 years ago, here's a great John McCain joke made in 1986 while speaking to the National League of Cities and Towns in Washington, DC, :

Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, "Where is that marvelous ape?"

Isn't unsolicited interaction a hoot!

I think if this ran at least 2-4 weeks his campain would be dead.

Obama doesn't do a great deal of talking counter points he whines more.

I think that really depends on who you ask.

The only takeaway I'm getting from this is "ROSEDOGGYDOGG doesn't like Obama," which is, you know, a shock.

Now don't go thinking I believe all of this

Has anyone else noticed that "muslim" seems to be just a politically correct euphemism for "I ain't votin' for no negrah"?


"Why aren't you voting for him?"

"Well... you know... there's that whole muslim thing..."

"There's extensive documentation proving that he's christian and that that is simply an internet rumour."

"Uh... but.... he's *Muslim*...."

LOL
Seperation of Church and State in this country is like the Perenium - and well - the episiotimy didn't hold so now everything is all gunked together.

I have a friend who stated to me in no uncertain terms that he will vote for Obama because he's "black". not for the issues, not for the debates but because "he represents the black community". how is that any less bigoted than someone voting Mccain because he's white?

a lot of intelligent nonbigoted people believe ludicrous conspiracy theories.

LOL
Seperation of Church and State in this country is like the Perenium - and well - the episiotimy didn't hold so now everything is all gunked together.

I'll tell you how. Your friend is voting for someone who he believes will represent a constituency that is important to him. That happens all the time. People choose to vote for people who they believe will share their values and priorities. That is very different from refusing to vote for someone because of the color of their skin.

so let me get this right. if someone says they're voting Mccain because he represents white people, white values and the white community, that's not bigotry? but if they vote for him because he's white not black that is?

Fixed?

Perhaps I'm the only one who's okay with a vote being racist if the voter is actually racist an' promotes that agenda..

I guess you missed the point of my question. While you can do a great deal of typing it doesn't mean sqwat. As for you trying to call me out on replying to your post, seriously big deal. For all your hoopla that you make its all for nothing, seriously you're on the outside looking in. I don't feel the need to defend McCain in every or any post (negative or positive) about him because I'm a big boy and I'll deal. Besides aren't the majority yours except for the one by chl?
but i'll give you for all your wishing, hoping and praying.

In other words, he was saying that even though not all of it is true(According to him), he thinks it would damage Obama's chances severely.

I'll tell you how. Your friend is voting for someone who he believes will represent a constituency that is important to him. That happens all the time. People choose to vote for people who they believe will share their values and priorities. That is very different from refusing to vote for someone because of the color of their skin.

I think elections should be about issues. I'm only okay with a racist promoting his racist agenda with his vote if there's a candidate on the ballot who wants to segregate schools or something. Otherwise the racist should look past skin color and vote based on fiscal plans or health care or national security or other such things.

blah blah blah blah blah blah

None of that is new information. Why should it be at all indicative of him losing his Golden Touch or a danger to his campaign just because it's a new video?

Why? It's all old and proven inaccurate/inconsequential information.


You don't think if this was running 1-2 days on national television, that his campaign wouldn't compose and issue a direct counter point to it?

You're trying to have a reasonable discussion involving facts and logic with someone on the interent.

I no longer hold the "internet" to be the excuse for unreasonableness.

Hey, you ignored the most important part of the post you quoted.

You also have yet to address these direct questions:






Though why I would still expect you to answer any direct questions about your political beliefs instead of playing partisan bickering games is beyond me...

BUT how can Obama seriously be the one to repersent blacks/african-americans? The dude is half african and unless he counting his white grandma for all his injustices against while growing up, I don't get it. Are the blacks/african-americans just associating off of skin color because they believe he actually shares their values and priorities? *going off of what both of you said*

! A bold statement.

Don't ask me, dude. I'm white as white can be, and the race issue is irrelevant to me.

Though if you recall, Obama's race was a big question mark in the Black community before he started actually winning. Then all of those questions went away, real fast.

Just to let you know, I think it's totally weak to vote for someone because of their (perceived) race or because it would represent some kind of milestone, bla bla bla.

I was for Obama well before the Iowa caucuses, and certainly well before the Black community had decided that it was going to "accept" him.

And for the record, this answers the question of why Obama stayed at Trinity church for 20 years. He needed street cred, because he *wasn't* "one of them." And being a part of that huge and influential Black church helped him gain legitimacy with the community he was serving.

This is where I have problems with him being there, not that he helped his community or that he wanted to fit in. His spiritual advisor is a nut and it was exposed, he didn't have any problems with that for 20 years unit it was hurting him politcally. He believed in/followed him for all that time and then let other people change his will. All of the sudden he saw the light? He should have stayed true to his convictions.

No I don't think they would do anything to counter it. The same thing would happen as it does now, they would say they aren't happy with/dislike it, McCain would say something to the same effect but it would still go on. Nothing would change but people opinions would get saturated with what they're being told.

I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday did anybody else see or hear him? He was on FOX News, this is a white man, and he was upsetting the FOX News commentators to no end, he pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, he pointed out that what Malcolm X said when he was silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, he said Americas chickens, are coming home to roost.

We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism.

We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.

We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.

We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.

We bombed Qaddafi's home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children's head against the rock.

We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they'd never get back home.

We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.

Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost.

Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.

The United States government lied about their belief that all men were created equal. The truth is they believed that all white men were created equal. The truth is they did not even believe that white women were created equal, in creation nor civilization. The government had to pass an amendment to the Constitution to get white women the vote. Then the government had to pass an equal rights amendment to get equal protection under the law for women. The government still thinks a woman has no rights over her own body, and between Uncle Clarence, who sexually harassed Anita Hill, and a closeted Klan court, that is a throwback to the 19th century, handpicked by Daddy Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, between Clarence and that stacked court, they are about to undo Roe vs. Wade, just like they are about to un-do affirmative action. The government lied in its founding documents and the government is still lying today. Governments lie.


The government lied about Pearl Harbor too. They knew the Japanese were going to attack. Governments lie. The government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. They wanted that resolution to get us in the Vietnam War. Governments lie. The government lied about Nelson Mandela and our CIA helped put him in prison and keep him there for 27 years. The South African government lied on Nelson Mandela. Governments lie.


The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposely infected African American men with syphilis. Governments lie. The government lied about bombing Cambodia and Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera, "Let me make myself perfectly clear" Governments lie. The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North, and then the government pardoned all the perpetrators so they could get better jobs in the government. Governments lie.... The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie. The government lied about a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9.11.01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie.


The government lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq being a threat to the United States peace. And guess what else? If they don’t find them some weapons of mass destruction, they gonna do just like the LAPD, and plant the some weapons of mass destruction. Governments lie.

"And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness.... The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America - that's in the Bible - for killing innocent people. God damn America, as long as she pretends to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent."

Except for the fact that they actively counter these things as is, you make an excellent point.

Is this site even being actively pushed, if so where? I'd think if they're for stopping things like this they would be spreading the word far and wide but I have yet to see or hear about (other than from you, now).

Leaving it to the people to make their way to his site/spin-off doesn't seem to make sense.