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Haggisjin
I've been avoiding posting in the War Crimes thread (mainly because I have the feeling that it would make no difference in the conversation no matter how many links to sources I could post stating that a) torture isn't effective and b) most of the people in either Guantanamo or Abu Grahib have been released without charges or are scheduled for release), so I thought I'd post these two for fun.

The lead paragraph from Conservapedia's John McCain Article
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John Sidney McCain III (born in the U.S. Panama Canal Zone, August 29, 1936) is the conservative senior Senator from the state of Arizona, having served 20 years after replacing Barry Goldwater in 1986. He is currently the Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Armed Services. McCain, a Baptist, has clinched the Republican nomination for President of the United States in the 2008 Election.

Voteview.com even rated McCain as the second most conservative Senator in the 109th Congress (Jan. 2005 - Jan. 2007). John McCain and the Bush administration agree on most issues. He voted with the Bush administration 95% of the time in 2007, according to Congressional Quarterly's "Presidential Support Scores". Issues include making the Bush tax cuts permanent, energy independence, winning the war in Iraq, reforming Social Security, and continuing and expanding Bush's supply-side economic policies. John McCain is a war hero.


The lead paragraph from Conservapedia's Barack Obama Article
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Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. (allegedly born in Honolulu, August 4, 1961) is the presumptive 2008 nominee of the Democratic Party for president. Obama has served as a freshman Democratic Senator from Illinois for three and a half years. In 2007, Obama was the most liberal Senator. If elected, Obama would be the first Affirmative Action President.

Obama claimed to have visited 57 states while campaigning for president of the United States, which of course has only 50 states. He could never explain where the false number of 57 came from, but it has been observed that there are 57 Islamic states and Obama was educated at an Islamic grade school while he lived in an Islamic country.

Obama has declared himself to be a Christian, yet never replaced his Muslim name with a Christian one as many do, casting doubt on his politically self-serving claim. Obama downplays his Islamic background by claiming that his Kenyan Muslim father was a "confirmed atheist" before Obama was born, but in fact less than 1% of Kenyans are atheists, agnostics or non-religious. There is apparently no evidence of any Christian activities or local church participation by Obama while he was in Massachusetts from 1988-1991. Finally, Obama abruptly left his church in Chicago in 2008 when it became politically controversial, without first finding another church to join.

Asked to explain why working-class Democrats do not support him while campaigning for the Pennsylvania primary, Obama replied "it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." In response to outrage when his remarks were unexpectedly publicized, Obama replied, I "didn't say it as well as I should have."

Obama was on the faculty of the University of Chicago from 1992 to 2004. He claimed that he was a constitutional law professor, when in actuality he merely held the title of "Senior Lecturer."

In his 1995 memoir, Dreams of my Father, Obama admitted doing illegal drugs, including cocaine and marijuana, which he referred to as "blow" and "pot" respectively, in his high school years and into his college years, before choosing a different path in life.

Obama wore an American flag lapel pin after 9/11, but later stopped wearing it without adequate explanation. Presumably it would have hurt him with anti-military campaign donors. Recently, he has begun wearing one again, for explained reasons, though it is likely a political pander.

In his memoirs, Obama claimed a Life magazine article about a man who had become ill after trying to lighten his skin color by chemical means had a major impact on him. In fact, Life never published any such article.

Obama falsely claimed that he "had an uncle who was one of the — who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps. And the story in our family was that when he came home, he just went up into the attic and he didn't leave the house for six months." In fact, the Soviet army liberated Auschwitz. Embarrassed, the Obama campaign later admitted that Obama was wrong, and claimed he should have said that Obama's great-uncle helped liberate a subcamp of Buchenwald.

Obama said that "There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born." In fact, Obama was born in 1961, and the Selma march took place in 1965.

Obama states that he has consistently opposed the Iraq War since 2002, a claim and position that former President Bill Clinton criticized as "the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen."

Obama's campaign "is proud to be actively participating in over 60 local and state wide homosexual Pride events over the summer."



I've highlighted the bits I found extra funny, merely because Conservapedia's (stated) purpose is supposedly to fight bias and so forth.

And for the last time, this is the entire "bitter" quote (which they trimmed to make it sound worse).

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But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.


I think "bitter" is a pretty reasonable adjective in the above context. I know I'd be bitter. And it was at a fundraiser, not a secret conversation at the black panthers or anything.

And to state that someone only saw people at Buchenwald is to seriously expose your ignorance of what Buchenwald was like.

And the drugs comment is pretty funny considering Bush was a coke fiend and a self acknowledged Alcoholic.

And Obama has explained the lapel pin a thousand times as a statement that patriotism is more than just sticking something on your jacket and then hosing the country.
I.S.T.
It's partisan crap. I'm sure there's a Libreralpedia(I would have left off the second L, but look what is spelled when you do.) or an equivalent there of.

This is sadly a two way street in US politics, rather than being a no-way street(that really doesn't work, but I'm leaving it there.).
Haggisjin
Well, if you read Conservapedia, then pretty much all of reality has a liberal bias.
I.S.T.
That joke sucked, dude.
Haggisjin
*wasn't joking*

The site is paranoid.
I.S.T.
Haven't read much ultra left or right wing American style stuff? It's always filled with the other side being in a great conspiracy to farg up the U.S.

The left wingers think it's all because of Oil companies/the religious right/anyone who disagrees with abortion(they REALLY get pissed off with this one, even if the person disagreeing isn't an assmunch.)/anything not 100% in tune with their point of view. The right wingers think it's all because of colleges indoctrinating the youth with communistic and or socialistic ideals/anyone who's against a free market/those who are pro abortion(See my earlier comment about the left winger response)/the ACLU(Admittedly, the ACLU has earned some of the hate, but not most of it)/anything not 100% in tune with their point of view.
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (I.S.T. @ Jul 4 2008, 04:35 AM) *
It's partisan crap. I'm sure there's a Libreralpedia(I would have left off the second L, but look what is spelled when you do.) or an equivalent there of.

Actually, I think Conservapedia's only nemesis is http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page

Conservapedia isn't just partisan. It's fanatical. It isn't a website for "republicans" it's a website for "young earth creationists."
Glue
I thought Conservapedia had named Wikipedia as the "Liberal-pedia".. Conservapedia would possibly have less bias if there were actually unbiased people on it who gave a hoot.
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (Glue @ Jul 4 2008, 09:35 AM) *
Conservapedia would possibly have less bias if there were actually unbiased people on it who gave a hoot.

Conservapedia also faces the challenge of "liberal" members who sign up to edit the site with extreme parody of actual conservative views...but since the people behind conservapedia are so extreme as is, they often can't tell the difference between what they actually believe and the parody of what they actually believe, so much of the parody sits on the site unnoticed and, I suppose, actually becomes Conservative Knowledge.
Glue
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Jul 4 2008, 09:48 AM) *
QUOTE (Glue @ Jul 4 2008, 09:35 AM) *
Conservapedia would possibly have less bias if there were actually unbiased people on it who gave a hoot.

Conservapedia also faces the challenge of "liberal" members who sign up to edit the site with extreme parody of actual conservative views...but since the people behind conservapedia are so extreme as is, they often can't tell the difference between what they actually believe and the parody of what they actually believe, so much of the parody sits on the site unnoticed and, I suppose, actually becomes Conservative Knowledge.

I visited Conservapedia earlier on sometime a couple years ago. They actually had one of the higher editors/writers for Wikipedia also contributing. He understood that the policies were different from that of Wikipedia and correspondingly tailored his editing. When this required him to tone down or correct what some of the contributors had written, or even just provide different views, a bit of fuss was raised to the main founder of the site (no favoritism in such methods of course). They said this guy was a known "liberal" from Wikipedia here to vandalize the site an' so forth. The founder said: "uhm, I asked him to be here.. and those edits are following our policies. Unless there's a violation of those policies, that's not vandalism."

I suspect there were probably pushes to redefine what "vandalism" was or so, but didn't really care enough to stick around and find out. I think that particular Wikipedia editor was just amused at helping them follow their own policies..

ROSEDOGGYDOG
Thank gawd there was nothing BOLD about Obama being part BLACK or a HOOSEIN.

*bad joke coming on...*




wait for it...





keep going...




almost there....



...maybe HoOSeIN was iNsaNE in his MEmbRAne?
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Jul 4 2008, 12:58 PM) *
...maybe HoOSeIN was iNsaNE in his MEmbRAne?

I'm not sure why you called that a bad joke, because I'm not sure it qualifies as a joke of any kind.

It might be a poem.

If you had said "Hoosain in the membrane" it would at least qualify as a pun or a parody of some kind.

But I'm fairly sure it's not a joke.
ROSEDOGGYDOG
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Jul 4 2008, 02:19 PM) *
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Jul 4 2008, 12:58 PM) *
...maybe HoOSeIN was iNsaNE in his MEmbRAne?


"Hoosain in the membrane"



skeletor.png

*WAIT the lyrics are coming...*

"Hoosain in the membrane, got no pain I used to snort caine..."
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Jul 4 2008, 02:27 PM) *
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Jul 4 2008, 02:19 PM) *
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Jul 4 2008, 12:58 PM) *
...maybe HoOSeIN was iNsaNE in his MEmbRAne?


"Hoosain in the membrane"



skeletor.png

*WAIT the lyrics are coming...*

"Hoosain in the membrane, got no pain I used to snort caine..."

Getting closer. tounge1.gif
Haggisjin
Cindy McCain was a coke addict who stole money from a charity for third world aid to support her habit.


Just saying....
I.S.T.
wat
Haggisjin
Sorry, it was "prescription painkillers" ie. opiates.

Here's the linky

She then fired the person who exposed her thievery and addiction. McCain and his lawyer (John Dowd, who coincidentally worked for them during the Keating Five scandal, which everyone seems to have forgotten about...) got her off with no time served, which seems odd for such a stalwart in the WAR ON DRUGS *dramatic thunder*. And to discredit the wrongful termination suit by the person who exposed her, Dowd the complained to Republican County Attorney Richard Romely who then launched an extortion investigation against the person who was fired.

Here's the article by the Pheonix New Times (who's investigation caused Mrs McCain to have a heartfelt apology to the press before their article could be published) from way back in '94.

She never did any time. She also had kids and adopted one while she was addicted. Children's Services never took her children away upon relevation of her addiction.

The thing that bothers me here isn't that Cindy McCain took drugs. Really, I don't care. It's just that this is just another blatant double standard applied by a guy that sells himself as a "Straight Shooter". McCain's stance on drug offenders has been well publicised. Apparently that just means street drug offenders. If it's Upper class married to a senator and steal from and manipulate a charity drug offenders, then you're just misunderstood.

It's just compounding the obvious contradictions in his media persona until my head starts hurting. Akhhh.gif And thus.......... why I've been avoiding this forum



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Glue
But... the Democrats are guilty of demagoguery! Gasp!
Haggisjin
A political party using scapegoats and strawman issues to distract the public?! TEH SHOCK truthy.png

btw, which party pretty much ran their campaign about scaring people with gay marriage, immigrants, and TEH ARABZ WANT TO KILL JOO last election?
I.S.T.
It was more like "ARABIC TERRORISTS WILL KILL YOU UNLESS YOU ELECT ME," to be honest.
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