ULTRA MANGOS
Jun 28 2008, 09:53 AM
i have it and it works for me wat is its problems?
Tripredacus
Jun 28 2008, 07:21 PM
Microsoft underestimated the pc market. Based on all "fandom" discussions, people were gearing their machines to support games, which isn't true for everyone. The fact of the matter was that most people were running machines that were below the specs of Vista, mine included. Of course I am not foolish enough to run Vista on this PC either.
There is also the other factor. The minimum requirements for Vista as BARE minimums. Consider the fact that while you COULD run Windows 2000 on a 233MHz 32MB RAM pc didn't mean it was meant to be used on it. I tried it AND installed UT and got a measly 3fps average for example.
No the REAL problem is that companies and stores are selling Vista on minimum requirements because it fits the price point for entry (cheap) systems.
As an example, when I met with a MS rep, he also said he didn't understand why everyone was complaining. Then he said he had an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.8 and 8GB RAM.
It is the unfortunate business that the consumer market has been pitching $600 PCs with low end hardware (Celeron anyone?) even tho higher end hardware existed on the market.
The customers of my own company still order Vista on PCs that have Celerons, only onboard (read 32MB or 128 bit) video and 512MB RAM. These people are begging for trouble.
Autobot032
Jun 29 2008, 08:11 PM
It's not just the requirements, it's also it's overall stability and compatibility with hardware and software. It's the 2000's version of Millennium Edition. With time, I'm sure the OS could be tweaked enough to operate like XP does, which would be great because there are some nice features on Vista.
As it stands right now...it's just too unreliable for too many people.
It came with my laptop (and my laptop is more than enough to run Vista Home Premium and Ultimate) and it still crashed left and right and had the blue screen of death. I hadn't seen that on an XP era system before. (I kid you not.) I was used to it with 95, 98 and ME, but never with XP systems.
I was floored and quite frankly scared to the point I was ready to crap myself. Here I had spent $600.00+ on a laptop and it had a bsod in the first week and a half. Yeah, not a happy camper.
Plus, the Media Center wouldn't let me watch HDTV with my tuner card. (and it's a HD tuner, I made sure of that before I bought it.) I could get audio, but no picture. XP won't run it in HD (that was a known fact for this card) but it did handle all of the processes with little to no effort.
Once I installed XP on here, it was like the computer had new life in it. It flies like a rocket and runs everything.
Vista has promise.
I.S.T.
Jun 29 2008, 08:55 PM
A lot of people had crashing problems with XP when it first came out... it wasn't fully resolved until manufacturers stopped putting out shot drivers/selling PCs with shot drivers on them.
I've only had it crash a few times, and that was probably due to power outages...
ULTRA MANGOS
Jun 29 2008, 09:12 PM
oh.... exCTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO ME .... not good for online games people
Tripredacus
Jul 7 2008, 05:53 PM
QUOTE (I.S.T. @ Jun 29 2008, 09:55 PM)

A lot of people had crashing problems with XP when it first came out... it wasn't fully resolved until manufacturers stopped putting out shot drivers/selling PCs with shot drivers on them.
I've only had it crash a few times, and that was probably due to power outages...
** cough **
nVidia and Creative
** cough **
Hadlen Weltall
Jul 9 2008, 03:04 PM
I've only had a couple of glitches with Vista such as it not downloading Updates due to some hickup in the language settings for some reason. Otherwise my Vista Rig (I named her Dolores) is just fine. she runs smoothly, and screams Crysis perfectly.
Wildling
Jul 9 2008, 03:11 PM
QUOTE (Tripredacus @ Jul 7 2008, 08:53 PM)

QUOTE (I.S.T. @ Jun 29 2008, 09:55 PM)

A lot of people had crashing problems with XP when it first came out... it wasn't fully resolved until manufacturers stopped putting out shot drivers/selling PCs with shot drivers on them.
I've only had it crash a few times, and that was probably due to power outages...
** cough **
nVidia and Creative
** cough **
That's the only problem I have. It doesn't seem to like the graphics adapter much.
I.S.T.
Jul 9 2008, 04:03 PM
nVidia's Vista drivers were for quite a while crap. I suggest updating to at least 163.75. I've used those and later drivers with no problems.
Wildling
Jul 9 2008, 06:37 PM
QUOTE (I.S.T. @ Jul 9 2008, 07:03 PM)

nVidia's Vista drivers were for quite a while crap. I suggest updating to at least 163.75. I've used those and later drivers with no problems.
I tried upgrading a couple times already. But it has been a month or so. Guess it's time to try again.
skullfire
Jul 23 2008, 02:13 PM
I like my XP
The beauty of Vista is it allows the PC to recognize more than 2 gigs of ram (XP won't) however vista needs 2 gigs of ram in order to operate properly with out crashing. So that cool laptop you have been eyeing that already has 2 gigs on it with vista preinstalled is going to be a big disappointment. You really need a machine (PC or laptop) needs to have at least 4-8 gigs for one to feel like that they have something.
If you are building a tower from scratch to have quad core processors and 8 or more gigs of ram you are going to need to run vista.
Firebrandx
Jul 23 2008, 04:16 PM
I built my own quadcore with Vista 64-bit. The main faults that really annoy me the most are the hidden "features" where Vista attemps to either block or hide functions that might be abused for piracy. For example in Vista, you normally cannot set your sound recorder to record the mix output from your sound card. This is to prevent people from recording streamed audio content, but it also prevents people from very useful functions like FRAPS video guides. You end up having to psychically know how to turn back on the ability to record mix output by right clicking on an empty area of the advanced device properties tab and then select "show all". THEN you get to see the hidden mix output option.
Its little things like this that just really bring my piss to a boil about this OS. The other thing is how much friggen ram it uses. I had to get 4 fricken Gigs just to operate with the same functionality as I did on my 2-gig XP machine.
I'm stuck with it, but I have to say thumbs down on Vista from my own personal experience.
Talkie Toaster
Jul 23 2008, 05:05 PM
I don't really have a problem with Vista on my laptop, I have more problems with Nortob Antivirus that takes so frikkin long to load up well after the rest of the features have loaded.
siburke939
Jul 23 2008, 10:40 PM
uninstall it & install AVG Free dude
I.S.T.
Jul 23 2008, 11:27 PM
QUOTE (Firebrandx @ Jul 23 2008, 06:16 PM)

I built my own quadcore with Vista 64-bit. The main faults that really annoy me the most are the hidden "features" where Vista attemps to either block or hide functions that might be abused for piracy. For example in Vista, you normally cannot set your sound recorder to record the mix output from your sound card. This is to prevent people from recording streamed audio content, but it also prevents people from very useful functions like FRAPS video guides. You end up having to psychically know how to turn back on the ability to record mix output by right clicking on an empty area of the advanced device properties tab and then select "show all". THEN you get to see the hidden mix output option.
Its little things like this that just really bring my piss to a boil about this OS. The other thing is how much friggen ram it uses. I had to get 4 fricken Gigs just to operate with the same functionality as I did on my 2-gig XP machine.
I'm stuck with it, but I have to say thumbs down on Vista from my own personal experience.
Something's off with your memory. I dual-boot XP32 and VIsta 64 with two gigs of RAM and everything's fine and speedy.
Firebrandx
Jul 24 2008, 01:28 AM
No, its because I do a lot of graphic design work which takes up as much ram as I can feed it. I found I get about the same "breathing room" for my art when comparing XP 2-gigs to Vista 3-gigs. The 4th gig was needed for playing Age of Conan and of course gives me a little more breathing room for my CGI work. Really I should get 8-gigs going. Doing 3D rendering, you can never have enough ram.
I.S.T.
Jul 24 2008, 01:37 AM
Ah.
Cabal
Aug 19 2008, 01:28 PM
Only problem I've ever had with Vista is sound problems (*cough* Creative). It has yet to crash on me, XP has given me more problems. Really, Vista is out of the growing pains now, almost all the driver issues have been cleared up at this point.
Autobot032
Aug 19 2008, 08:46 PM
QUOTE (skullfire @ Jul 23 2008, 05:13 PM)

I like my XP
The beauty of Vista is it allows the PC to recognize more than 2 gigs of ram (XP won't) however vista needs 2 gigs of ram in order to operate properly with out crashing. So that cool laptop you have been eyeing that already has 2 gigs on it with vista preinstalled is going to be a big disappointment. You really need a machine (PC or laptop) needs to have at least 4-8 gigs for one to feel like that they have something.
If you are building a tower from scratch to have quad core processors and 8 or more gigs of ram you are going to need to run vista.
Actually, XP will recognize three gigs, but you're right, it won't recognize four. People have been complaining about it on a notebook message board I post on, occasionally.
To truly have the best of both worlds, you need to turn your PC (or laptop) into a dual boot system, that's about the best you're gonna get.
I love Vista for the Media Center and how it works with digital media. (it looks and sounds great, and the presentation isn't too shabby.)
I love XP for the overall reliability and stability, and how it just works.
If you can use both, you're better off. So...when I format this laptop (which needs to be done soon, because all of my restore points threw themselves out (not sure why) and the windows login has been corrupted) I'm dualbooting this sucker.
Cabal
Aug 19 2008, 09:10 PM
Actually XP and all 32-bit OSes can access 4GB of RAM, the problem is that this includes all the memory in your system (ie onboard RAM on your video card, etc.) So XP can use more than 3GB of RAM depending on your other hardware. The most I've seen recognized on a machine was 3.75GB. Also, its important to note that not all version of Vista can use more than 4GB of RAM, only the 64-bit version can, the 32-bit version will show you however much you have installed (unlike XP), but it won't be able to access it all.
Cadogen
Sep 1 2008, 03:36 PM
The only real issue I've had is with sound as well. Intermittently, it won't load the onboard sound driver. I have to power down, unplug it out of the wall, then repower. Then it's fine
Autobot032
Sep 1 2008, 10:09 PM
QUOTE (Cadogen @ Sep 1 2008, 07:36 PM)

The only real issue I've had is with sound as well. Intermittently, it won't load the onboard sound driver. I have to power down, unplug it out of the wall, then repower. Then it's fine
That could be something as simple as a driver. Go to your PC's manufacturer and check to see if they have updated drivers.
Or:
1.) Have Windows Update check the web for you.
2.) Find out who made the motherboard and download the driver directly from them.
An updated driver should fix your problems immediately.
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