So, at the risk of this becoming an extremely uncomfortable and perveted discussion...

Which parts of Blackarachnia do you think are organic? The purple parts? The Black parts? Her insides/guts? I'm at a loss, because except for what's under her "helmet,' she looks pretty robot-y to me.

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*just wanted to contribute before the inevitable*

- Sari bit Blackarachnia.
- Sari does NOT have the bite-strength of a crocodile.
- Sari's teeth did not fall out.
- Biting a being that has complete metal skin will cause your teeth to fall out, unless you have the biting strength of crocodile.

- Therefore, Blackarachnia cannot have completely metal skin.

Therefore, their Blackarachnia has a metal skelet with organic/technorganic flesh, or her body structure is formed by a material that is a blend of nano-technological and organical at the cellular level.

In any case, part of Blackaragnia's 'organicness' must be in the skin.

Unless Sari's a robot with incredible biting strength.

go watch BM. The answer is she is Technorgnaic, no part is singularly robotic and no part is biological, every part of her is a mixture of both.

Premises state that she, in fact, does NOT have incredible biting strength. And for now, she is nothing more but an ordinary human being, or at least with human-level capabilities.

Yes Sari is currently human, just like how G1 Prime didn't have the Matrix until he first mentioned it in the G1 movie. Them crazy Transformers and their reality-altering powers

Joking aside, do we even have a clear-cut deffinition of what constitutes a techno-organic? From what I understand, TO's are basically life-like androids that transform by reformating themselves on a cellular level. Kind of like Noble-Savage but with nanotech in the place of organic cells.

Not really.

And the fact that Animated is its own continuity means that the term can, technically, be redefined to mean whatever Marty Isenberg and the team want it to mean, since it's a made-up word to begin with.

Well maybe BA is more like the Xenomorph from "Alien", a silicon-based lifeform instead of a mechanical robot.

i would say its more like the transmetals where their beast mode and robot mode were sort of blended together. they were both animal and robot in both modes as is blackarachnia.

Transmetals aren't technorganic.



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I'd say it's like with her Beast Machines counterpart: there are no parts that are mechanical OR organic, but mechanical and organic intertwined together. To such an extent that if her organic "half" dies, her mechanical "half" "dies" with it. The two are inseparable at this time (Meltdown melted the last thing that may have been able to).

I have to wonder if her whole outfit is a separate armour, like her helmet? Still wouldn't explain the rest of her makeup though. The way she ballooned up in the flashback may lean towards her being organic flesh over a robotic skeleton.

This was mentioned by Optimus in "Along Came a Spider". But he also offered her a place back with the Autobots possibly alluding to the fact that with time, research and patience, she could eventually purge her organic half and be robotic again, but this is not confirmed.

I did say "at this time", didn't I? It could be possible that there will eventually be a cure, but as of the end of Season 2, the last item that promised to purge her other half (albeit, the half she wanted to keep) was melted by Meltdown.

As for her outfit, I think that just the helmet is separate.

Thing is we don't know WHAT her hands actually look like. Sari could have gotten her teeth under a loose flap of metal. That could have in human terms at least felt like a Paper Cut. Now for us a paper-cut is oddly painful despite the lack of serious injury or damage.
I have always thought of Technorganic as being almost Borg like. The main body and most of the armour and circuitry of the bot stays as normal Metal Pistons gears etc. BUT. The majority of the body is more like tiny cells formed out of nannites. They can stand up to all sorts of harm that we couldn't but a'la War Of The Worlds simple things that to us are nothing to them are agonising. Think of say for us a Nuke going off above our heads would kill us, but a Cockroach wouldn't feel it. For a Cybertronian it could be like a Shark, The biting of the hand was so unexpected an attack that BlackArachnias body had no need to create armor in that area, Like punching a shark on the nose the very nature of the attack being unnatural in their home environment is that shocking that release/retreat is the ONLY option.

Even if i agree with you, you've been overpowered by the season finale. just sayin.

Being a robot doesn't mean you can't feel pain. A.I.'d!

"D.A.S. ist gut!"

Oh? Do be so kind as to point out exactly which of my arguments has been disproven?

I would love to find out which parts of her are organic...













WHAT?! You knew it was coming!!

I know which part!! spinneret glands!

Why fantasise about being tied up? She has venom that no doubt can be customised to include all kindsa chemicals <V> THC MDMA and a dose of you ain't movin till shes finished groovin..

Considering how it's been revealed that Sari atleast to a degree is a robot, it's not too far fetched to assume that Sari actually DOES have the bite strenght of a crocodile, and teeth that can bite metal skin without falling out ^^
Ofc, it's not confirmed either way, but until they say otherwise, I'm assuming it's the case ^^

what makes you all think that robots are only made of metal?

leather / rubber / plastic / etc (they're all possibilities)

I'd say Sari is a cyborg, she has an organic outer skin, we don't know how long she has been alive (for all we know she might only have been alive as little as a week before episode 1.

As for Blackarachnia, I think that no part of her is solely organic or technological, and therefore can feel pain from a bite by a child.

if these advanced robots have managed to successfully mimic the 5 human senses (which they obviously have) then of course they'll feel "pain"

duh

G1 Galvatron shouts out in pain and demands to be taken to Unicron asking "Why did you torture me?"

Hmm as with the earlier episodes of Armada, Rad when witnessing Red-Alert transforming says something like "Does it you know hurt when you do that?" Red Alert seems to avoid the subject like it actually is painful to transform.

Look at Skorpy in Energon when the CometMissileBasething he is on is burning up in the Energon Grid, he screams like hell, heck even the autobots gasped at the Energon Gas..

If the purely technological and even Quntesson/Unicronian types feel pain there is no doubt that a being that is a fusion of Technological and Organic in her sense should be able to feel pain. Hell look at the backstory she tells when she is mutating she screams in agony.

Also, what makes you think that all robots have to have super-strength?? (o_O)

They have relative strength to humans, so all are far stronger than humans are, unless the human was the same size as them. Then they'd probably still be stronger (machines are tougher, stronger etc than flesh and blood anyway).

wasn't frenzy having a fist fight with a human on an oil rig in an episode of G1? they was about the same size & the fight was pretty close (if i remember correctly)

...and 'sif See-Threepio could kick my arse.
"I can taunt you in over six-million forms of communication!"

G1 is not a reliable source of arguments when making a point. Also, Voyager's shields are finicky as all hell.

my main point is i really dgaf

(but i'll still say g1 is part of tf canon so get used to it)

If they operate using Hydraulics then they will be massively stronger. Take a look in car manufacturing plants, robots the size of human legs picking up tonnes of engine.

Movie Frenzy could probably have torn Sam limb from limb but he wasn't exactly thinking of strength he was thinking of information (and on the sugar rush from hell).

EDIT:- Look at insects like Earwigs, they can nip you, it doesnt hurt but the sheer alienness of the attack causes you to let go.

I realised afterwards I wasn't talking sense. Couldn't be bothered to delete it though

Well, we know she had at least one birthday party before before the Autobots arrived on Earth-- Sparkplug was her father's present to her that year, and the other kids remember her being weird last time.

Good point! Love it! lol



This is also a good, factual point to be taken. I believe she was created some time ago, and grows as a human does. But there is no proof.

About BA, if you look at the episode "Along came a Spider", on the planet with all the hidden Energon you can see her Battle Mask she currently wears now as a leftover decepticon's BEFORE she even IS BA. This shows that her Helmet (like i believe ALL TFs have one) is just a helmet. However, her armor is most likely part of her body. But if you look back at the Lore it shows that ALL TFs were T.O. (techno organic) at one time and they most likely just built the armor on them and used robotics to connect wiring to circuitry together. They are working on doing that IRL as we speak, so this is a familiar concept to humans. It IS possible to be able to connect wires with cells, and this is bascially what i believe she is. A past version of a transformer. Although she could be something entirely different. But i dont believe so.






*to connect stem cells to circuitry together*

I think its more awkard of the toy where her head is when she is in alt mode.

That would not be a part of the continuity.

Or any continuity, IIRC.
The "organic creatures who built themselves into robots" is the GoBot mythos, not TFers.

I did not know that.

First off: MASSIVELY DISAPPOINTED BY THIS THREAD


Secondly: I thought Transformers were intelligently designed?

Thirdly: I thought Transformers were toys

I was hoping to spark a continuity war , but you just took all of the fun out of it.

Intellegent Design vs Evolution you say?

Something new (and useless in the grand scheme of things ) every day.

But yeah, TFers have always been presented as entirely robotic beings, IIRC (accept for BM, but even then I take that as to mean that the TF race started out as purely robotic, and later became reformatted into a techno-organic state of being).

Jeeze, don't you guys know anything? All Transformers evolved out of naturally occurring gears and levers! It say so in Marvel, it must be true!

Seriously.

THRESHOLD OF SIMILARITY BETWEEN TRANSFORMERS AND HUMANS REACHED

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