http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...8-6-2008_pg7_14

Okay, I'm all for the equality of religion and science and such forth so I say this with all the kindness I can.
farg you.

If we remove Mohammed from the list of things you can mock, then we remove everything and may as well just throw the freedom of expression laws away now.

I think they're kind of missing the point of "freedom of expression."

Then again, Pakistan was created to be a Muslim state, so perhaps they can be excused a little for not getting it.

But only a little.

MR T. (Peace Be Upon Him)

You just can't trust a religion that doesn't allow alcohol and even the simplest, non-offensive, line drawing of a crazy scribbler.

Seriously, I guess the whole rule is meant to prevent idolatry, but they kind of do that with Mohammed anyway. "Peace be upon him?" What the hell is that?

Anyone else wanna politely request Pakistan to expand their laws of freedom of expression and for Islam to have thicker skin?

$5 says EU will buckle to them when other Islamic Countries jump on the band wagon. F'ck Christianity but oh spare teh Islams.

And we got our own problem(s) here, this will probably never be taken up as keeping religion out of school either.

*agrees*

I have no problem with Muslims, but the EU needs to be like "Look, this is our culture and it doesn't affect you. Either deal with it or go f*ck yourselves"

*starts Jihad against stupidity*

I couldn't help but laugh that the religious scholar in the article was named Aslan.

I'm honestly not sure how the EU will handle this, they do a good job in some fields but are really wacked in others, and have taken "political corectness" too far in some cases.

Hmm.. last I saw, kowtowing to such requests was not politically correct.

You know, Christianity used to be like the official religion of Europe... and it's now a post-Christian society. The Muslim thing is a relatively recent development there. So it's not like the two religions can be addressed as though they were the same.

And personally, I don't give a flying fuck about whining Christians. Oh wah, nobody likes me.

Your like so progressive its like kewl man...

Jim Norton's Monster Rain hit on the subject nicely.

Hey Pakistan

FRAKK YOU!!!!!!!!!

If I were anyone in the government of Pakistan, I think I'd have much bigger things to worry about than what other people are spending their free time doing or saying halfway around the world..

Hey we do our best work when we're persecuted. When we're popular we apparently turn into super judgmental dóuchebags

Except that no Christians in America are actually persecuted...

It's remarkably similar to the INTERNET TROLL effect. People get all up in everyone's face about HAY JEEBUS SAVES AND STUFF and when people tell them to fuck off it's like "OMG stop persecuting me".

It boggles my mind that someone in our age group is so right wing conservative that they refuse to see the truths laid before them... it's like when I see 15 year olds smoking, I thought we were beyond the stage when that was cool or something.

What's really weird to me is how people are still stuck in a 1960's mindset. I must be a hippie (man) because I don't agree with the right-wing folks. Just let these stupid Vietnam-era arguments die already. Turn the page.

Dude you are totally a hippie because you're a hippie. Left-wing/right-wing's got nothin' to do with it.

So what, should I call ROSEDOGGYDOGG a "fascist pig"? Last I checked, I wasn't living in a commune, tripping out on acid all day long, or naming my kids Mountain and Rainbow. I have short hair, I have a job, and I go to church every Sunday. It's just soooooo tired. These labels distract from the issues, but I suppose distractions do come in handy when you don't have anything of substance to say.

And yes, my response was more serious than your post intended... I just wanted to say this.

You know who likes to throw around words like "labels" and "fascist"?









Hippies.

And admit it. Your daughter is named Rainbow Mountain Madhammer.

And I only called you a hippie because of your train of thinking in one of those religion threads. and OMG I was totally joking.

It's more than just the labels that bother me, RDD's whole mind set makes me afraid. Not of him, but because I know that there is a large enough group of like minded individuals out there that we will all be in serious trouble if we can't keep them from power.

Welcome to the past eight years.

hey, i remember how you voted in 2000 and stuff

I was hoping we could just sort of gloss right over that part...

No joke, I knew some people who did that... their kids (who were my age) were named Sequoia and.... actually I think the girl might have been named Rainbow.

Your afriad of my mindset? Wow, I'm more worried about people who think its okay to do honor killings because they're retards or kill people because of cartoons that offend their poo lil mooharm'ed. Yeah lets stiffle freedom of expression for them, that will make the west more acceptable in their eyes. Next maybe we can do something about our gay problem or sex outta wedlock, who knows whats next on the list.


BUT YET YOU'RE AFRAID OF ME AND OTHER WHO THINK LIKE ME

As for Madhammy, dude don't let it get you down/distracted man. Seriously your views are progressive (from what I can tell by your posting in the PD) nothing wrong with that. You seem to be on the opposite side of the coin of everything I'm on.

Don't go thinking it was a slam or me trying to hide the word Liberal. I'd just come out and say it.



You can call me "Bigot" for all I care, you wouldn't be the first.

FYI I don't think the viewpoints he's (and others here are) holding are liberal.

I don't even know what "liberal" means anymore... again, this was a term that was more meaningful 40 years ago, but now, its only use is as an epithet.

I do consider myself to be progressive, though... and I think I'm in good company

BULLY!

Mostly I like his awesome glasses.

I think Hasbro made a 12" G.I. Joe figure of Teddy Roosevelt action figure back in the '90s.

Not to derail the slap fighting or anything ... but-
can someone clarify how/why Pakistan laws should affect any country other than Pakistan?
Seriously, regardless of religion and stuff... I can't go and arrest someone in rural china for jaywalking...
nor can I force TRU to sell me Goki's Vader at a reduced price here in America...

I was totally puzzled by this whole controversy the first time, and I am even more confused now...
if they don't like that magazine, maybe they should stop ordering it?

The law for them is a Muslim one, not a Pakistani one. Pakistan is a Muslim state, so I guess they're raising the issue.

Not that I think they have a leg to stand on. I don't know that much about Islamic law, but to me... surely there would be some distinction between a Muslim doing something "blasphemous" and a non-Muslim doing the same. But I dunno.

Because Pakistan is a part of Europe too?

There is no legal reason for what Pakistan is doing. I guess that it's an indirect way for Pakistan's government to say, "We have some crazy motherfargers in this country. For our sake, could you not do anything to agitate them?"

FTR I don't really think Madhammers a hippie. I don't think anyones a hippie. but I have a friend who insists I am a Republican despite the fact that I am polytheistic and Hate super large corporations getting away with crimes that a common man would go to prison for. so I guess its all in your world view. RDD doesn't scare me though, while not for the same reasons we do agree on certain policies.

Yeah see... thats the part i don't get...
Thats how wars are started - I want YOU (some other country) to follow MY laws. So THERE!!!
I just think that going down that road for a cartoon is kinda silly....
Not that the Abrahamic God(s) haven't proven themselves to be exactly that petty time and time again or anything...

Don't make me draw a cartoon about you

see after hours trading as one of my peev's



and I thought my Kahn face had it

Well that's what the EU does?
Okay, not exactly, but there have been a lot of complaints in the papers recently about our government bringing us in line with EU policy on some matters (Health and safety is a popular one)
The fact that the EU is actually bringing a lot of stuff in line with the UK is often overlooked in favour of screaming "BIG BROTHER!1!!1!!1" every time a a health and safety law is altered or a double yellow line painted.

Your mindset is a slippery slope towards the one you fear.

I think this is not the issue

I think the issue is a MUSLIM one

there are MUSLIMS in many countries

Pakistan is a MUSLIM state

so they spoke up about the MUSLIM issue

Riots over cartoons aside, mutual respect is indeed a two-way street... the EU has to accept the reality that Muslims find such things offensive, and Muslims have to accept the reality that the EU doesn't.

And as such, banning offensive images of Jesus should be banned too?
Or do we not bother because (As far as I'm aware) images of Jesus aren't genrally offensive to Christians?
(Not meaning that as sarcastic as it sounds)

That's the thing. My understanding is that ANY visual representation of Mohammed is prohibited in Islam. So naturally, a cartoon mocking Mohammed would be doubly insulting to Muslims. But Christians obviously have no issue with visual representations of Jesus, even ones that mock Christianity (though inadvertently so):