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ROSEDOGGYDOG
Controversial intellectual property treaty being drafted in secret

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27 May 2008 10:51 by Rich "vurbal" Fiscus | 2 comments

Officials from the United States, European Commission, Japan, and Switzerland are among those secretly working out details for a new anti-piracy treaty to be discussed at this year's G-8 Summit being held in July. A leaked discussion paper for the proposed Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) suggests the adoption of several new legal measures in participating countries that would radically increase the role of government in copyright, patent, and trademark enforcement. Other countries participating in the on-going discussion of the treaty include Canada, Korea, Australia, New Zealand, and Mexico.

Discussion on the ACTA proposal started with an initiative begun last October by US Trade Representative Susan C. Schwab along with 5 members of the Congressional Caucus on Intellectual Property and Piracy Prevention in the US House of Representatives. Although consumer rights groups have been denied access to the text of the proposal, according to IP Justice "select lobbyists in the intellectual property industry" have been given access to the document.

The treaty, as outlined in the leaked document, would mandate authority for customs agents to examine portable devices from laptops to iPods for evidence of either P2P file sharing activity or copied content from media including CDs and DVDs that could constitute copyright infringement. They would then have the ability to seize such property without any judicial oversight, and even levy fines to "offenders."

Also included in the proposal are requirements for the criminalization of all intellectual property infringement including non-commercial offenses which are currently only subject to civil penalties in most cases. With this new standard for criminal law in place it would also require additional participation by law enforcement, including the seizure and destruction of both infringing goods and any equipment used to produce them. This would presumably include such dangerous items as home computers.

Perhaps the most significant measure being discussed is the role of ISPs in the legal process. Intellectual property owners would be allowed to demand identifying information about subscribers accused of infringement, bypassing the very public legal battles the RIAA has faced in their campaign of lawsuits against file sharers. This would be accomplished by reducing ISPs legal liability to their customers, essentially eliminating privacy arguments.


*Trying to gather thoughts together that don't include profanity everyother word*

Lord Madhammer
*doesn't change habits*

:fighttheman
Nomolos
*arranges sit in protest and invites HippieHammer to make with the singalongs*
Lord Madhammer
I had a certain amount of sympathy with the no-file-sharing POV even if I disapproved of the RIAA's methods... but the thing about calling ripping your own CDs "piracy" is just bullsh*t IMO.
ROSEDOGGYDOG
So heres what I'm understanding...

JoeBlow is traveling from one country to the next, at customs they spot he's sporting an iPod and/or laptop. They tackle him, beat him then check his hardware for music and/or piracy sh!t, say music on ipod doesn't match with laptop - they can take both away and fine him because they are teh law and he has been judged dread'd right then and there. Say you use an FTP client, oh sh!t ballz ur s0 f'ckd now hope you like night sticks!.
Lord Madhammer
That's a likely scenario.... about as likely as people getting tackled by the cops for jaywalking.
ROSEDOGGYDOG
I had a touch of sarcasm in that.
Smooth Jazz
Good thing our government has no precedent for invasion of privacy without a warrant.[/sarcasm]
Lord Madhammer
Look, there's always the reality of law enforcement resources + the care factor of bothering to search someone's laptop or iPod vs. looking for like nuclear weapons or exploding shoes or whatever.
Prime-Collector
Too bad we can't get politicians this whipped up about Human trafficking.

ROSEDOGGYDOG
QUOTE (Lord Madhammer @ May 27 2008, 02:22 PM) *
Look, there's always the reality of law enforcement resources + the care factor of bothering to search someone's laptop or iPod vs. looking for like nuclear weapons or exploding shoes or whatever.



dood there's so much more of a threat to being stopped to have your gadget searched. They can sue you for thousands of dollars and its going global. A bomb you say? So a few people die but with suing they'll make millions if not billions with intrest (and we'll still be forced to hear the same crap on the radio over and over again and again...).

and you thought the Patriot Act was scary...piff.

[/Serious and sarcastic at the same time]
I.S.T.
QUOTE (Prime-Collector @ May 27 2008, 05:25 PM) *
Too bad we can't get politicians this whipped up about Human trafficking.


Or fixing Social Security(Which is going to implode. icon_sad.gif)
Tripredacus
If this makes the world "suddenly scary" then you obviously haven't been paying attention to the world.
Nomolos


oh, give em a break he's in WA state. they get rain 80 percent of the year.
Glue
QUOTE (Nomolos @ May 27 2008, 07:20 PM) *
oh, give em a break he's in WA state. they get rain 80 percent of the year.

rofl.gif rofl.gif rofl.gif

Hmm.. dunno but my initial impulse is:
  1. IP definitely needs a bit of reform -- a damn lot when it comes to enforcement in a specific area.
  2. IP's biggest failings right now come from the international arena.
  3. Any of those real problems with IP really involve China, Korea, Thailand, Singapore, and all the other hotspots of software and literature piracy, none of which this treaty appears to even address, much less discuss with those countries in anything remotely resembling a productive and diplomatic manner.
  4. If the article is true, this treaty is just a cover for more BS from the RIAA or RIAA-like entities who need to go to farging hell, because this sorta crap is just a complete waste of time and resources to protect a bunch of idiot rightsholders who don't need it at the expense of everyone.
  5. If the clandestine nature of this treaty is also true (which isn't that difficult to believe), that only affirms the bias of this "treaty" towards a small group of special interests.

Regarding #1 above, the biggest reform needed in IP enforcement is exactly the OPPOSITE of what this treaty appears to be trying to do.
skullfire
So if I am reading this correctly; I could be in serious trouble because I have over 4gigs of music I copied onto my Ultra Mobile PC from my own CD's. Is that about right? If I travel abroad with my unit, I need to make sure I have the original copies of my software in hand?

Now let's take into consideration here that on a single international flight customs is likely to come across about 50 or so passengers (one flight now). Most people in the international world or at least European Westerners are pretty tech savvy and have laptops they are carrying with them. I'd guess 20 people out of 50 passengers have laptops or UMPC's with them. Then lets not forget about those Ipods and various MP3 players; that's about 40 out 50 passengers on the plane. Then cell phones now, are a lot smarter and people are starting to get smarter about purchasing phones with more features like MP3 players (the new palm phone is Frakk'n cheap!) so that's about well 48 out of 50 passengers. All in all 100% of the passengers are going to be stopped for some kind of techno inspection which will, with out question, take a very long time. It's not like a bomb where you just x-ray your stuff and go "ooooh Semtex and some wires". You actually have to crack open your device and boot it up. Oh, but that's where at the beginning of the line, a big sign in bold red letters; "Please have your laptops booted up and ready for inspection, thank you" in every language possible (just like in Disneyland) comes in. So now there is this ridiculous line of people holding their laptops like serving trays in a prison cafeteria. And this is, BTW, over some consumerist bullshot that someone pays $10 for in music and about $500 for in software.

Are you frakk'n kidding me? We are going to stop the world over some crappy copy of Photoshop 7 and someones download of a much crappier (free) release of Trent Rezners latest Frakked up attempt at making NIN a rock band?

And this is a hot topic at the latest G8 convention?

Get Real!!!!

These politicians have a hell of a lot more to worry about than some record companies ROI. These people don't care about Geffin Records or Adobe Software. They care about ConocoPhillips and British Petroleum. They also care about things like population control and seed banks. They examine how they can extend their wars and expand on the boogie man A.K.A. the terrorist. They get together and act like they care about global warming, global health, the AIDS virus, and hunger.

All of this information leaked from some "Secret Meeting" is now available exclusively on afterdawn.com, a tech/gadget site...

M. Night Shyamalan has better security over his pre production and post production of his films yet major international government agencies can't seem to keep a lid on their diabolical plans to imprison the world via your MP3 copies of your music.

Wow, if M. Night Shyamalan has better intellectual security than our governments Intelligence agencies then yes, we do have a lot to fear.

Nomolos
yes but who cares what M. Night Shamalamadingdong is doing.
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (Nomolos @ May 28 2008, 06:44 AM) *
yes but who cares what M. Night Shamalamadingdong is doing.

best post in thread
ROSEDOGGYDOG
QUOTE (Nomolos @ May 27 2008, 08:20 PM) *
oh, give em a break he's in WA state. they get rain 80 percent of the year.



its true rumblecry.gif

@ Tripredacus

I know there should be other things that we (the world) should be more worried about but in the big picture this will probably be the most likely scenario to happen first. It a$$ backwards in the things to do list but hey at least somebody is going to get paid.
Cool Hand Lube
QUOTE (Nomolos @ May 27 2008, 08:20 PM) *
oh, give em a break he's in WA state. they get rain 80 percent of the year.


Hey! I'm in WA state, and I'm not all angsty. Most of the time!






































*listens to Soundgarden*
Covert_Agent_Rodimal
just more proof that we need to fire the government
Cadogen
All this so the music and movie industry can peddle their wares in stores so they don't compete with P2P... wonder how much their lobbyists are shoveling money towards the government
Tripredacus
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ May 28 2008, 09:02 AM) *
QUOTE (Nomolos @ May 27 2008, 08:20 PM) *
oh, give em a break he's in WA state. they get rain 80 percent of the year.



its true rumblecry.gif

@ Tripredacus

I know there should be other things that we (the world) should be more worried about but in the big picture this will probably be the most likely scenario to happen first. It a$$ backwards in the things to do list but hey at least somebody is going to get paid.


Its your funeral.
sabor
it aint nothing a good can of pepper spray to the face and a hard kick to the balls can't fix

Tripredacus
QUOTE (sabor @ Jun 9 2008, 03:15 AM) *
it aint nothing a good can of pepper spray to the face and a hard kick to the balls can't fix


or a loaded gun?
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