QUOTE (Goktimus Prime @ May 20 2008, 03:03 AM) 
I do like how the Constructicons are embiggened. 
It's the show's way of giving the finger to mass shifting.
After all, they're construction vehicles, so they're gonna be really big robots.
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It's the show's way of giving the finger to mass shifting.
After all, they're construction vehicles, so they're gonna be really big robots.
They have to be big so that when they combine they'll be taller than most skyscrapers for some reason
...guess they won't be merging inside Astrotrain any time soon. 
QUOTE (Goktimus Prime @ May 20 2008, 10:09 PM)
...guess they won't be merging inside Astrotrain any time soon.
He would be totally ripped inside out.
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QUOTE (Goktimus Prime @ May 19 2008, 03:14 AM)
QUOTE (Paxtin)
On a side note: did anyone else get a Sideburn (RID) vib from the scene where the Construcicons were oogling that "red" car?
Not really. Speedbreaker (RiD Sideburn) was actually more like he kept getting crushes on red sports cars - pretty goofy but relatively more harmless.
I was referring to more of a slight homage to Sideburn, (Speedbreaker.) not a literal translation. As if like the writers got the idea from watching RID.
But then I should have known better, I know nerds like to take everything as a literal reference; so I suppose that was my bad.
The writers of the show may or may not have known about RiD, but clearly the fact that they were whistling at (their version of) a hot chick would have been part of the construction worker stereotype they were going for.
I got a Sideburn feeling from the whistling scene. The car could have been any color, but it was red. That had me instantly think of Sideburn.
What annoyed me in the show was the blatant setup of the unstable oil stuff that Bulkhead had. When he dropped into his little compartment I thought "That's going to come into play later" and it did, lamely. But all of the drinking references were funny.
On another thread people were discussing the scientific dubiousness of electromagnetism in Animated. In this episode I noticed a mathematical impossibility - Bulkhead states that 454 standard Cybertronian Units equal one Kilounit. W T F ? Since when did 454 = 1000?!? (o_O)
QUOTE (Goktimus Prime @ May 21 2008, 06:37 PM)
On another thread people were discussing the scientific dubiousness of electromagnetism in Animated. In this episode I noticed a mathematical impossibility - Bulkhead states that 454 standard Cybertronian Units equal one Kilounit. W T F ? Since when did 454 = 1000?!? (o_O)
Since Bulkhead ain't too bright. Did'ja forget?
...then I'm surprised that they're able to build space bridges etc. with such massively gross miscalculations!
QUOTE (Goktimus Prime @ May 21 2008, 03:37 PM)
On another thread people were discussing the scientific dubiousness of electromagnetism in Animated. In this episode I noticed a mathematical impossibility - Bulkhead states that 454 standard Cybertronian Units equal one Kilounit. W T F ? Since when did 454 = 1000?!? (o_O)
standard=/=metric
actually, Metric is standard considering that it's the standard international measure. But that's irrelevant, it's got nothing to do with weights and measures.
The word "kilo" itself means 1000.
e.g.:
1 kilometre (1km) = 1000 metres (1000m)
1 kilolitre (1kl) = 1000 litres (1000l)
1 kilogram (1kg) = 1000 grams (1000g)
1 kilowatt (1kW) = 1000 watts (1000W)
Examples from outside the metric/S.I. system of weights and measures:
1 kilobit (1kb) = 1000 bits (1000b)
kilobyte (1kB) = 1000 bytes (1000B)
y2k = year 2000
$35k = $35,000
Warhammer 40k = Warhammer 40,000
The fact is that the word 'kilo' means 1000. So when he says "kilo-unit" then by the very definition of the word he is saying "1000 units." Therefore when he says that 454 units = 1 kilo unit he is stating that 454 units = 1000 units, which is just absurd.
The word "kilo" itself means 1000.
e.g.:
1 kilometre (1km) = 1000 metres (1000m)
1 kilolitre (1kl) = 1000 litres (1000l)
1 kilogram (1kg) = 1000 grams (1000g)
1 kilowatt (1kW) = 1000 watts (1000W)
Examples from outside the metric/S.I. system of weights and measures:
1 kilobit (1kb) = 1000 bits (1000b)
kilobyte (1kB) = 1000 bytes (1000B)
y2k = year 2000
$35k = $35,000
Warhammer 40k = Warhammer 40,000
The fact is that the word 'kilo' means 1000. So when he says "kilo-unit" then by the very definition of the word he is saying "1000 units." Therefore when he says that 454 units = 1 kilo unit he is stating that 454 units = 1000 units, which is just absurd.
Oh my God you are not seriously arguing about this.
for the record I agree with Nomolos. 1 foot = 0.3048 meters
for the record I agree with Nomolos. 1 foot = 0.3048 meters
QUOTE (Goktimus Prime @ May 23 2008, 06:48 AM)
1 kilobit (1kb) = 1024 bits (1024b)
kilobyte (1kB) = 1024 bytes (1024B)
kilobyte (1kB) = 1024 bytes (1024B)
Fix'd by pretentious Computer Science major.
Pay attention people.
I'm not trying to start a metric debate here - I'm pointing out that the word kilo means 1000.
This has nothing to do with the metric system, that's what the word (as a prefix) fcuking means. Yes, it's a metric prefix, but it's not exclusively used in the metric system. That's why I provided non-metric examples in my last post such as kb, kB etc.!!! (Binary prefixes)
From Dictionary.com:
From WhatIs.com:
Other sources:
Encyclopedia Britannica Online
Wikipedia
________
I repeat, this has nothing to do with specific systems of weights and measures - the fact is that the word kilo means one thousand.
In the G1 episode "The Core," Hook once referred to a unit called a "Cybertronian milli-inch." And in "More Than Meets The Eye Part 1" Wheeljack once referred to a unit called a "Mega-mile." Now I don't know how long a Cybertronian inch or mile are, but suffice to say that a Cybertronian milli-inch must be, by definition, 1/1000th of a Cybertronian inch, and a Cybertronian Mega-mile must be one million Cybertronian miles. There's nothing in G1 canon or reality to contradict this, so it's safe to assume that this is true.
Now we don't know what quantity of volume a "unit" that Bulkhead is referring to is. But logically, a kilo-unit has to be a thousand units, because that's what kilo means!
My Transformers collection is currently 1141 (according to the UCM). I could abbreviate that to 1k41. When I talk to people about money, e.g.: about annual wages, people often say things like, "He makes $35k" or "That car costs $52k."
pathfinder74 started an entire thread about nitpicking the scientific inaccuracy of the way that electromagnetism was portrayed in Animated, and nobody kicked a stink there... why am I getting hammered on for nitpicking a gross inaccuracy in BASIC (i.e. primary school level) arithmetic and language?? (o_O)
I'm not trying to start a metric debate here - I'm pointing out that the word kilo means 1000.
This has nothing to do with the metric system, that's what the word (as a prefix) fcuking means. Yes, it's a metric prefix, but it's not exclusively used in the metric system. That's why I provided non-metric examples in my last post such as kb, kB etc.!!! (Binary prefixes)
From Dictionary.com:
QUOTE (dictionary.com)
The prefix meaning "one thousand"...
QUOTE (dictionary.com)
kilo-
pref.
One thousand (10^3)
pref.
One thousand (10^3)
From WhatIs.com:
QUOTE (WhatIs)
Kilo, mega, giga, tera, and peta are among the list of prefixes that are used to denote the quantity of something, such as, in computing and telecommunications, a byte or a bit. Sometimes called prefix multipliers, these prefixes are also used in electronics and physics. Each multiplier consists of a one-letter abbreviation and the prefix that it stands for.
In communications, electronics, and physics, multipliers are defined in powers of 10 from 10^-24 to 10^24, proceeding in increments of three orders of magnitude (10^3 or 1,000). In IT and data storage, multipliers are defined in powers of 2 from 2^10 to 2^80, proceeding in increments of ten orders of magnitude (2^10 or 1,024).
Examples of quantities or phenomena in which power-of-10 prefix multipliers apply include frequency (including computer clock speeds), physical mass, power, energy, electrical voltage, and electrical current. Power-of-10 multipiers are also used to define binary data speeds.
In communications, electronics, and physics, multipliers are defined in powers of 10 from 10^-24 to 10^24, proceeding in increments of three orders of magnitude (10^3 or 1,000). In IT and data storage, multipliers are defined in powers of 2 from 2^10 to 2^80, proceeding in increments of ten orders of magnitude (2^10 or 1,024).
Examples of quantities or phenomena in which power-of-10 prefix multipliers apply include frequency (including computer clock speeds), physical mass, power, energy, electrical voltage, and electrical current. Power-of-10 multipiers are also used to define binary data speeds.
Other sources:
Encyclopedia Britannica Online
Wikipedia
________
I repeat, this has nothing to do with specific systems of weights and measures - the fact is that the word kilo means one thousand.
In the G1 episode "The Core," Hook once referred to a unit called a "Cybertronian milli-inch." And in "More Than Meets The Eye Part 1" Wheeljack once referred to a unit called a "Mega-mile." Now I don't know how long a Cybertronian inch or mile are, but suffice to say that a Cybertronian milli-inch must be, by definition, 1/1000th of a Cybertronian inch, and a Cybertronian Mega-mile must be one million Cybertronian miles. There's nothing in G1 canon or reality to contradict this, so it's safe to assume that this is true.
Now we don't know what quantity of volume a "unit" that Bulkhead is referring to is. But logically, a kilo-unit has to be a thousand units, because that's what kilo means!
My Transformers collection is currently 1141 (according to the UCM). I could abbreviate that to 1k41. When I talk to people about money, e.g.: about annual wages, people often say things like, "He makes $35k" or "That car costs $52k."
pathfinder74 started an entire thread about nitpicking the scientific inaccuracy of the way that electromagnetism was portrayed in Animated, and nobody kicked a stink there... why am I getting hammered on for nitpicking a gross inaccuracy in BASIC (i.e. primary school level) arithmetic and language?? (o_O)
yes you are correct Goki. noone is saying that kilo doesn't mean 1000. but he says 454 standard units. gimme the rough equivalent for 1 lbs into grams.
answer it is app. .454 kilograms.
answer it is app. .454 kilograms.
buh?! <confused>
The word "standard" doesn't inherently modify the meaning of the word "unit."
I could say that there are 1000 standard metres in a standard kilometre. The exact definition of a "metre" has changed throughout history and I could use the word "standard" to refer to a modern metre.
"Standard" is not a prefix that would necessarily alter the definition of the word "unit."
That's conversion between two entirely different systems of weights and measures.
But why on Earth would the Transformers use two different systems of measures? Heck, why would anyone use different sy-- okay okay, I won't continue with that...
...but the idea of an advanced race of space-faring robots that can build space-bridges being silly enough to concurrently use two incompatible systems of measures (and thus requiring conversion) is daft.
And even if you wanted to portray them as using two different systems, they should have different names. After all, metric and USC units have entirely different names.
The word "standard" doesn't inherently modify the meaning of the word "unit."
I could say that there are 1000 standard metres in a standard kilometre. The exact definition of a "metre" has changed throughout history and I could use the word "standard" to refer to a modern metre.
"Standard" is not a prefix that would necessarily alter the definition of the word "unit."
QUOTE (Nomolos)
gimme the rough equivalent for 1 lbs into grams.
answer it is app. .454 kilograms.
answer it is app. .454 kilograms.
That's conversion between two entirely different systems of weights and measures.
But why on Earth would the Transformers use two different systems of measures? Heck, why would anyone use different sy-- okay okay, I won't continue with that...
...but the idea of an advanced race of space-faring robots that can build space-bridges being silly enough to concurrently use two incompatible systems of measures (and thus requiring conversion) is daft.
And even if you wanted to portray them as using two different systems, they should have different names. After all, metric and USC units have entirely different names.
OMG. This is sad. It's a farging cartoon for 4-11 yr olds. Plus I already said that Bulkhead aint the brightest tool in the shed. He sounded so unsure when he was making his calculations and then on top of that, he dumped the whole can of chemical into the mix totally null in voiding any calculations.
Did you ever think that his miscalculations was an inside joke for all the math geeks in the fandom?
Did you ever think that his miscalculations was an inside joke for all the math geeks in the fandom?
yes. that's exactly what I thought. that's why they specifically used 454.
oh, and Goki, as of your last post, you are no longer just pointing out innacuracies in logic. now you are trying to logic with a cartoon about alien robots set in the future.
oh, and Goki, as of your last post, you are no longer just pointing out innacuracies in logic. now you are trying to logic with a cartoon about alien robots set in the future.
QUOTE (Supa TMan)
OMG. This is sad. It's a farging cartoon for 4-11 yr olds.
You could argue that for almost all Transformers fiction then. In that case, are we all disallowed from talking about any discrepancies between reality and fiction in TF lore? (e.g.: mass-shifting).
I thought this was a discussion forum for Transformers. (-_-)
QUOTE (Supa TMan)
Plus I already said that Bulkhead aint the brightest tool in the shed. He sounded so unsure when he was making his calculations and then on top of that, he dumped the whole can of chemical into the mix totally null in voiding any calculations.
There's stupid, and there's dangerously incompetent. While I'm not expecting Bulkhead to match the intellect of Ratchet, Wheeljack or Perceptor, I do at least expect him to have enough intelligence to do his job correctly.
And as I said before, we're talking about basic arithmetic here. If Bulkhead doesn't know basic arithmetic, then how is he qualified to construct freakin' Space Bridges?!? (o_O) Perhaps he should stick to Lego™.
QUOTE (Supa TMan)
Did you ever think that his miscalculations was an inside joke for all the math geeks in the fandom?
It's still defying laws of mathematics. (-_-)
QUOTE (Nomolos)
oh, and Goki, as of your last post, you are no longer just pointing out innacuracies in logic. now you are trying to logic with a cartoon about alien robots set in the future.
Which happens all the time on TF forums, including this one (e.g.: pathfinder74's dedicated thread to electromagnetism in Animated). I thought that on a Transformers discussion forum, in a section about Transformers Animated, in a thread about "Rise of the Constructicons," that this might have been an appropriate place to discuss it. If you feel that this discussion is inappropriate, then feel free to submit a report to board staff.
lighten up francis
its simple there are 454 kilograms in 1000 lbs
they just reversed it for the cartoon. there are 454 standard units in a kilounit.
taadaa, end of story, bye bye.
its simple there are 454 kilograms in 1000 lbs
they just reversed it for the cartoon. there are 454 standard units in a kilounit.
taadaa, end of story, bye bye.
QUOTE (Goktimus Prime @ May 23 2008, 05:19 PM)
QUOTE (Supa TMan)
Plus I already said that Bulkhead aint the brightest tool in the shed. He sounded so unsure when he was making his calculations and then on top of that, he dumped the whole can of chemical into the mix totally null in voiding any calculations.
There's stupid, and there's dangerously incompetent....
And as I said before, we're talking about basic arithmetic here. If Bulkhead doesn't know basic arithmetic, then how is he qualified to construct freakin' Space Bridges?!? (o_O) Perhaps he should stick to Lego™.
He doesn't construct them, he just fixes them. Even then, I doubt his job on the team consists of anything more then breaking big rocks that get in the way of the others actually fixing the bridges.
Okay, so if he's nothing more than just an unskilled labourer, why was he placed in charge of mixing materials then when he's clearly incapable? Man, Sentinel Prime would have a field-day over this.
QUOTE (Goktimus Prime @ May 23 2008, 07:47 PM)
Okay, so if he's nothing more than just an unskilled labourer, why was he placed in charge of mixing materials then when he's clearly incapable? Man, Sentinel Prime would have a field-day over this.
Well it seemed he was unsupervised, so who knows?
see my last post. that pretty much answers the question completely. bulkheads knowledge of measures is not the issue.
His knowledge of measures was never in question - more his knowledge of arithmetic (or lack of).
"One!... Two!... Five!"
"Three, sir!"
"Three!"
"One!... Two!... Five!"
"Three, sir!"
"Three!"
all threads lead to python in time.
QUOTE (Haggisjin @ May 18 2008, 06:47 AM)
I liked that they turned them into the Super Mario Brothers.
Totally
... man out of all the things to nitpick about..
So, I'm not a gigantic uber-nerd and thus only saw this episode on Saturday.
*yawn*
Oh, and ZOMG! TEH CONSTRUCTICONS WERE NOT GREEN AND PURPLE AND DID NOT MERGE FOR THE KILL AND THEREFORE ANIMATED IS RAPING MY CHILDHOOD!!!@@!@!
Seriously, my least favorite episode so far.
*yawn*
Oh, and ZOMG! TEH CONSTRUCTICONS WERE NOT GREEN AND PURPLE AND DID NOT MERGE FOR THE KILL AND THEREFORE ANIMATED IS RAPING MY CHILDHOOD!!!@@!@!
Seriously, my least favorite episode so far.
This is the first Animated episode to let me down. It was pretty juvenile. Bulkhead repeatedly pleading for his friends to come back and trusting the Constructicons because they are his "friends" were just a little too kid-oriented for me. And for a kid's show, this is the first time Animated has done this. Not to mention it was the most badly animated episode to date.
And was anyone else surprised they could get away with such a blatant reference to drinking?
And was anyone else surprised they could get away with such a blatant reference to drinking?
QUOTE (Beast Megatron @ May 27 2008, 02:35 PM)
And was anyone else surprised they could get away with such a blatant reference to drinking?
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_EBUXVZcb2M&...feature=related
QUOTE
BaCon:
JerseyBots
JerseyBots
EX-ACTLY!!
QUOTE (Beast Megatron)
And was anyone else surprised they could get away with such a blatant reference to drinking?
Well, it's an indirect reference considering that they were technically refuelling. Refuelling has always been something that's been kinda like drinking for Transformers since G1, e.g.: Maccadam's Old Oil House, Decepticons getting drunk on Energon cubes in "Microbots" etc.
Of course, the show has a lot more acts of blatant violence, maiming, dismemberment etc. that they're only able to get away with in a cartoon because they're robots.
As long as they don't show them smoking...
JOE CAML'D!
JOE CAML'D!
QUOTE (Stormtrooper53 @ May 28 2008, 05:27 AM)
As long as they don't show them smoking...
JOE CAML'D!
JOE CAML'D!
I was thinking SCOOBY DOO'D.
but then we'd need a tf that's a vw van or a spraypainted anything.
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