Or maybe we could go back to concubines.

I think both sides of the argument are being stupid and childish. It all really comes down to a semantical argument over who gets to use the word "marriage".

Screw it. Sorry gays, the straight folks called dibs a few hundred years ago. Bummer for you, I know, but now you can make up your own word for it! I suggest Frustbargle. As in:

SOMEONE: Are you nice gay folks married?

GAY SOMEONE: No, we are frustbargled though.

So...I was discussing this with some other people this weekend, and I'd like some input on people who are against gay marriage...

Even if Prop. 8 passes in California, I think it could be overturned based on the notion that it is legislating religious belief. Because, is it even possible to provide a secular reason to define marriage beyond "We don't like it" mob rule? We're talking about religion, aren't we? I mean, honestly.

I have a feeling it will pass, be fought and deemed unconstitutional, which could then send a shock wave through other states and be a big step toward making gay marriage a fact of life nationwide.

I think both sides of the argument are being stupid and childish. It all really comes down to a semantical argument over who gets to use the word "marriage".

Screw it. Sorry gays, the straight folks called dibs a few hundred years ago. Bummer for you, I know, but now you can make up your own word for it! I suggest Frustbargle. As in:

SOMEONE: Are you nice gay folks married?

GAY SOMEONE: No, we are frustbargled though.

I'd still Frustbargle you, Hutner.

Here's the problem though - I think they tried seperate but equal once before. And that didn't work out so well.

I think both sides of the argument are being stupid and childish. It all really comes down to a semantical argument over who gets to use the word "marriage".

Screw it. Sorry gays, the straight folks called dibs a few hundred years ago. Bummer for you, I know, but now you can make up your own word for it! I suggest Frustbargle. As in:

SOMEONE: Are you nice gay folks married?

GAY SOMEONE: No, we are frustbargled though.

Instead of a "couple" *does quotation marks with fingers*...you'll be "butt buddies."

Instead of getting "married,"...you'll be butt buddies.

Instead of being "betrothed"...you'll be butt buhddies.

That way gays can live together as "butt buddies" and straights can keep the title of marriage sacred.

The thing that really gets my goat about this issue (and similarly inflammatory issues such as racism and what not) is the fact that IT'S AN ISSUE AT ALL. It's not that I really have a stance one way or the other on the issue, it's just that I am almost 100% apathetic about it. I have friends who are gay, and it's not like I categorize all of my friends into neat little compartments labeled, "GAY FRIENDS", "BLACK FRIENDS", or "INTERNET FRIENDS I WANT TO ". They are just "friends".

I mean I don't care who the hell Hunter has relationships with. HE IS TEH ONE IN THE RELATIONSHIP, WHY DOES ANYONE ELSE CARE? Oh yeah, it's the that really creeps people out.

What the Jeebus people fail to realize is that if Gay Marriage is approved - the amount of gay sex in the world will decrease exponentially.

You all know its true.

Well, the amount of gay sex I have has decreased quite a bit since I got married, that's for sure.

First-graders in San Francisco took a field trip to City Hall to celebrate the marriage of their lesbian teacher on Friday, but opponents of same-sex marriage in the state say the field trip was an attempt to “indoctrinate” the students, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

The field trip was suggested by a parent at the Creative Arts Charter School, and the school said the trip, where students tossed rose petals on their teacher and her wife as they left City Hall, was academically relevant.

"It really is what we call a teachable moment," said Liz Jaroslow, the school’s interim director, according to the newspaper. She said same-sex marriage had historic significance. "I think I'm well within the parameters."

California will vote on Nov. 4 on Proposition 8 which seeks to ban same-sex marriage in the state, and supporters of the measure say the field trip shows that allowing same-sex marriage will mean it’s taught to school children, the newspaper said.

"It's just utterly unreasonable that a public school field trip would be to a same-sex wedding," said Chip White, press secretary for the Yes on 8 campaign, told the Chronicle. "This is overt indoctrination of children who are too young to have an understanding of its purpose."

supporters of the measure say the field trip shows that allowing same-sex marriage will mean it’s taught to school children, the newspaper said.

Taking students on a field trip to your wedding ceremony is stupid regardless of the similarities between the two participants' genitalia.

It was an example of government doing its job, taking place in a government building...what's the problem besides the gayness?

I think he's just saying it's lame to call inviting your class to your wedding a field trip.

I think he's just saying it's lame to call inviting your class to your wedding a field trip.

So, this wouldn't be an issue if it was to someone else's lesbian wedding?

So, this wouldn't be an issue if it was to someone else's lesbian wedding?

NO. It is lame to invite your class to A wedding and call it a field trip IN GENERAL, regardless of the to-be-married folks' sexual orientations.

I would also like to add that I can totally see the "educational value" of being invited to witness my lezbo teacher's wedding night. Or at least getting to watch a video.

mmmm...educational

Going to see a governmental action take place inside a government building seems like a perfectly reasonable field trip to me. It's not like they all got shuttled to a rented gazebo in the park and had a table at the reception.

It is a pretty stupid field trip for first graders, regardless of sexual orientation. Its retarded, frankly, and not on any sort of moral level. And saying its governmental action in a government building could cover lots of educationally dubious field trips, like taking kids to a city-owned performing arts facility to see city-sponsored talent show. Yeah, maybe its fun for them, but any kind of educational content you could scrape from it like teaching first graders the ins and outs of public arts funding policy is pretty much an afterthought. Its really just an attempt to be progressive while posing as educational. What the hell did these kids learn, anyway?

Because we never went on stupid, uneducational field trips? Schools take kids to bakeries and other stupid places all the time. This is loads better than that. That's all I'm saying.

First grade you would rather go to a lesbian wedding than a bakery?

Baking bread smells way better than 2 lesbians.

I'm guessing that there are alot of lesbians that smell like baking bread.

School curriculum is rarely about the preferences of first graders. I'm just saying it's probably more educational than a lot of what the schools do now.

I was thinking that it was like taking first graders to the local parish/county authority to watch clerks issue building permits. Or sewage permits. Yes, it's a government function and, yes, it takes place in a government building, but again, the educational value of said function is highly dubious.

*only went on two field trips in school*

It just occurs to me that a California first grader might have a lot of questions about what all the fuss is about that the trip could help answer. Obviously you're not going to try and impart to them the very specific and nuanced ins and outs of marriage law and how it impacts taxes and what have you...but I think it would do them a lot of good to see that, "And then this lesbian says this to the judge and that lesbian says that to the judge and we both sign a piece of paper."

"That's it?"

"That's it."

That's an awful lot of time, money, gas, and resources spent when all the teacher has to say is "In order to be recognized in a legal marriage by the government, two people...ANY two people...present themselves in front of witnesses and a Justice of the Peace, they sign a few forms, and that's it."

There, see? I just saved your school district a few thousand dollars and you didn't even have to worry about your child returning his/her permission slip to the teacher so he/she wouldn't have to sit in the 'tard class while the rest of the kids get to go on a trip.