The only reasons you've given are:




Which is, essentially, "it's wrong because it's against the rules."

So we're saying, "Well, we think the rules should be changed."

And you're saying, "Well, I don't."

And we're saying, "Why not?"

And then you're not saying anything.

So, seriously, why shouldn't the rules be changed?



No one's asking your views match theirs. We're asking you why you hold the views you hold and how you've come to the conclusion that you have. Plain and simple.

Here, it's pretty easy. I'll give it a go.

I'm not completely sure how I feel about gay marriage on a personal level. I do know that according to what I believe, all people should be treated with love, unconditionally, no matter how ridiculous that can sometimes sound. I also believe that governments, especially one such as ours with no binding relationship to a religion and that is set up to protect the rights of everyone, should do so.

Gay marriage isn't going to bring down my life, and I'm pretty flattered that a community of people are so desperate to experience what "traditional" married people like me do. At the same time I am embarrassed by the ill will cause by people of my own faith toward others with a simple request to have equality.

See, for me personally it's not that I don't really have a stand on the issue, it's just that I am apathetic to the EXTREEM about it. It's a total non-issue for me. I don't care what grown, consensual adults do with their lives.

I don't see any reason why all people should not have the same rights as I do, because I just don't care. If I am offended by anything anyone eles does, that's MY issue, not theirs. And while I don't care if gay folks get married, that is not to say that I want to see 2 gay dudes making out on the sidewalk, as that ooogs me out. BUT seeing 2 straight folks making out on the sidewalk ALSO ooogs me out so, how's about everyone agrees to stay up outta everyone else's business and no PDA's, kthnx.

And none of those Bedazzled pants, either.

Well, now ST53's WHOLE wardrobe is out.

Well, I do still have my culottes...

pirate shirt?

o/` With cat-like tread, upon our prey we steal...

That wasn't the one I was talking about (it was a response to Hunter in simplist terms but it will work here) but okay.

Its what the people wanted, voted on and approved. The proponents of gay marriage didn't have to do that, they got to side step the whole process which is BS. If the people want it they will vote for it - Democracy and stuff Oh and this isn't about rights, its not.

If you can't understand/accept that then I don't know what else to say.

I would not be surprised if this issue is flaunted in 14 days and then there is the suffering of backlash at the ballot box.

That's actually understandable, RDD.

(Not that I agree.. but I've already stated why earlier.)

That's still not answering my question, and I think you know it, but for clarity's sake, let me rephrase the question:

If you had been eligible to participate in the California vote would you have voted "yes" or "no" and, this is the important part, why would you have voted that way?

**edit** has no problem with that at all.

I know that sometimes I am sofa king we Todd it that it hurts.



Why does it matter to you how I would have voted? That's not even what I was talking about. Lets take it a step further "If I could recreate Earth, how would I do it" Why would I do it? Because its what tickles me pink

Because I don't think that, for all your talk, you genuinely have the courage of your convictions. I think you're scared to tell us what you would have voted and why because then you'd have to stop acting all offended that we used the word "bigot."


It's what we've all been talking about. Sorry if you didn't catch that.


Well, that question is just off-topic...unless...are you saying if you could recreate the Earth you'd omit any people too different from yourself? Is that what you're saying?

Hobbes is simply asking you why you oppose gay marriage.

What is it about gay marriage that you don't like?

Seriously, we're all trying to be nice in asking, but quit dodging and admit a position...or don't bother discussing. No one's going to stone you for giving us a reason, pro or con.

sigh...at first I wanted to pull my Texas Pete trump card but I've decided against it since you need the obvious explained to you. IF I could vote it would be "NO", the reasons have been explained to you.

Again everyone is a bigot and I'm not shocked or afraid to be called one. I won't file any lawsuits over it.

but is not like you haven't done this before and, not surpisingly, on the same topic

So with that, we'll see what the reactions will be in about 13days and I'm done with the topic until the people actually get to vote on this...again.

I must say Glue when I read your post from time to time even though we may disagree (or agree once) your post seem to be inspiring rather than the typical slinging and I can get that!

I love the juxtaposition of "you obviously need it explained to you" and "the reasons have been explained to you." Especially since you haven't explained it. I don't mind it if you feel you need to treat me like a child and lay it out again very plainly, in fact I'm asking that you do so.

And quit acting like I'm the only one that somehow overlooked your explanation. I'm repeating a question many people in this thread have asked you, and many people are repeating my question. If we all want to know, then we all fail to grasp your answer. If was no big deal to post your reasoning before, it should be only a minor issue to post it again.


I don't see how that's a reasonable or defensible statement at all.


Great. Now answer the question. A man unwilling to defend his political positions doesn't deserve to voice them.

So, let me get this straight: This thread, for the last 2 pages has been nothing but everyone asking RDD to state his reasons why he feels a certain way about an issue?

Why does anyone care? I'm against printer cartridge recycling (not really), and it doesn't really matter why I am (it's in the bible) against it, if I am I am. Nothing more to it.

Anywho, who's up for ?

hay look what this guy wrote

http://forums.tformers.com/talk/index.php?...t&p=1258416

I was thinking about that. It's sort of the thing when someone tells you he knows a secret, but then says he can't tell it to you. It begs the other person to beat it out of him.

Also, what Hobbes said. If you can't be forward and upfront about how you feel on a topic, why are you trying to interact in discussion about it? It's ignorant.

I've never gotten the impression that RDD wants to interact in discussion.

Ray's Diarreah Disaster?

^ Unnecessary.

idk, i lol'd

saw this on MSNBC

BREAKING NEWS: Calif. high court denies request to stay its decision legalizing gay marriage

"Hay, you guyz just handed down a ruling...how about putting that off for awhile?"

"NOES"

"pwnd"

Isn't this the part where the federal government sends in the FBI and starts arresting people because they disagree with a ruling of a state.


They'll be breaking into gay houses and confiscating gay dorks

I always wondered exactly how they enforced the sodomy laws in Texas.

Using a Federal Probe!

ATF'D

TEXAS-"send who you want too, we can still secede. DUMMIE YOU!"

Not to knock down that 10-foot tall ego most Texans enjoy or anything, but Texas is no more or less able to secede from the United States than any other state.

If Texas secedes, will freedom cost more than $1.05?

What would you do
If someone told you to fight for freedom.
Would you answer the call
Or run away like a little pussy
'Cause the only reason that you're here.
Is 'cause folks died for you in the past
So maybe now it's your turn
To die kicking some ass


Thanks, now I'll be singing that all day.

sry

It lives!

LOL SOMEONE NEEDS TO STUDY "ANCIENT" CIVILIZATIONS A BIT MORE CLOSELY

POLYGAMY'D

I don't care if lesbians get married, on account of my vast experience with lesbians via Vivid video and they're HAWT. Just as long as those damn ghey men don't, because that is creepier for some reason and that way I won't have to confront my own homosexual tendencies and desires by not thinking about it.

Hey, as long as they're shaved, you can pretend that they're really butch women.


REALLY butch women.

With penises.

It might help to think of them as "extra large clitorises".

Actually I think that makes it worse for some reason.

CHYNA'D

Right to marry!!!! x 1000

So...I was discussing this with some other people this weekend, and I'd like some input on people who are against gay marriage...

Even if Prop. 8 passes in California, I think it could be overturned based on the notion that it is legislating religious belief. Because, is it even possible to provide a secular reason to define marriage beyond "We don't like it" mob rule? We're talking about religion, aren't we? I mean, honestly.

I have a feeling it will pass, be fought and deemed unconstitutional, which could then send a shock wave through other states and be a big step toward making gay marriage a fact of life nationwide.