Aww c'mon.. I'm sure minority rights could work out on a state-by-state basis. We could call them "free states" and "slave states"! After all, it worked so well before!

Tazbot!

I'd just like to point out again that all of the strawman arguments against Homosexual Marriage (against the biblical definition, destroys morality and values, vast majority of the population against it) were used against Interracial Marriage.

I'd also like to point out that Interracial Marriage only became legal because of "activist judges" enforcing the constitution over people's prejudices.

I'd like to point out that Interracial Marriage is now common place, and commonly accepted as normal, and as a right.

And again, I'd also like to ask RDD exactly why he feels that homosexuals shouldn't be married, and how in any way is this different from the struggles for equality from 50 years ago? (and an actual answer to that question, not just relying on saying that people voted against it, because people make unconstitutional laws all the time, in every country, and it's the role of the judiciary to correct them.)

I recall RDD saying his wife was from Mexico. So, if she's Mexican and he isn't, then he would be in a marriage the people didn't want.

fixed... don't be so limited.

I sorry, I'm still re-reading this part

HAWT

I've been there. Just not the wife part...

wat

i have an interesting marriage >_>

for some reason every girl i've EVER dated has been bi, the one girl i thought was strait turned out later to be bi -_-

so, having been through the bi thing before i told the wife i didn't want her to have to change any part of who she is as long as she doesn't try to pull me into it. she's had several girlfriends, but she's found one she's in love with. she's been living with us for a few months now so you might as well say they're married. it gets tough sometimes what with jealousy and all, but other than that it's pretty smooth sailing. the wife's happy, and i actually get along really well with her gf so we're kinda like buddies. it's kinda farged up, i have almost nothing in common with my wife, but so much in common with my wife's gf that it's uncanny. i guess i know what she just has her preferences XD. funny thing is that we didn't know just how much we had in common until she moved in.

took the words right out of my mouth

FTR I think BK's rant is pricelessly great, and I have to agree -- who the hell cares what somebody else does? It's not your job to police other people's private lives.

yeah I'm part mexican and stuff. yeah and keep illegals out too. has gay aunt in so.cal who's in relationship, oddly enough she doesn't spontaneously combust when going into church, yeah I can't believe it either!

Hehe. Thas gotta make for inneresting family gatherings..

FWIW: ( http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/28/133418/464 ) The gist, CA supports gay marriage by 9%, after opposing it by 7% two years ago...

The reality,
1. Its daily kos
2. 2003 wasn't ages ago, all those people didn't magically disappear.
3. It doesn't say where the survey took place, California is pretty frickin big.
4. Wait till election day to see what the people really want.

5. ???
6. We finally get a straight answer about gay marriage from RDD

That shouldn't even be taken into consideration. Rights of minorities should never be put to the popular vote. Democracy, within the context of a constitutional monarchy or a republic, serves to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.

Just think how far the civil rights or the women's suffrage movements would have gotten if left up to a popular vote.

Attacking the Daily Kos is fine and all, but they're not the ones who did the poll.

WHAT?

Protection of minority rights is one of the (alleged) virtues of the philosophy of Republicanism with which I agree, when it isn't abused. It helps minorities want to continue participating in the larger democracy at hand. I also think it helps motivate people to promote the values they believe which makes for a more interesting and vigorous society. How boring would it be if one side just dominated and kicked out the minorities they didn't like? Even if those minorities segregated themselves into communities where the rules were tailored to them, I don't think it works that well beyond a certain point, and only at certain scales.

Indeed...as Glue already mentioned, it does nothing to advance society if we put the rights of others to a vote.

Well, I do think some things should be put to vote...

"All in favor of fucking animals?"

"Shoot the prick!"

Wait....which animals?

I don't think Centaurs count as animals, dood.

I'm not... that bothered by that.. at least so long's the animal isn't harmed (maybe it likes that?) Although that's pretty farkin' disturbing... >.>

WINNAH!!!

Seriously, OFFICIALLY the best post of the thread now.


Except when some dude bangs some animal with some disease and then bangs his girlfriend/wife/sister/boyfriend and we get Horse AIDS...

Yeah, I know AIDS didn't come from munkysechs

1. Field Research did the poll (www.field.com). Independent and non-partisan.
2. From the paper:

Trend of voter opinion of amending the U.S. Constitution to define marriage as only between a man and a woman (among California registered voters)
(Favor, Oppose, No opinion)
February 2006: 40%, 52%, 8%
May 2004: 41%, 54%, 5%
February 2004: 41%, 54%, 5%
August 2003 42%, 50%, 8%

3. From the paper:

Los Angeles County: 263 polled
Other Southern California: 347 polled
San Francisco Bay Area: 221 polled
Central Valley: 168 polled
Other Northern California: 53 polled

4. Indeed.

You know, the simple fact of the matter is that most of the people who are against gay marriage are that way because they fear that if gays are allowed to marry, more people will become gay until God smites America like he did with Sodom and Gammorah. Until you can convince these people that God will not smite them(and you can't because they'll take any little thing to be an indicator that a smiting is coming), they will fight against gay marriage until their dying breath.

I would almost consider seeing if I could turn gay if I at all believed God existed and it would cause him to smite them.

There has to be a catchy slogan that you could come up with for that...

SUCK A DICK FOR THE APOCALYPSE?

GAYORGY'D!

BONK SLURP RAPTURE?

Sorry meant to say yeah DK was the one to pick up on it which doesn't mean alot when only .0031% of the population was polled. With a poplulation of about 33,870,000 you think they would have gotten more people.

Maybe those who didn't agree with the poll choose not to even partake in it?

sure

That thought never once came into my head, again I've been keeping the church out of this.

So why, then?

That proportion would give the results plenty of statistical power though...

I wouldn't want those odds on anything.

90% of statistics are wrong.

Yeah, everyone knows that 90% of statistics are totally made up 83% of the time.

I know that RDD will avoid answering uncomfortable questions 100% of the time.

Well, that may be a reliable statistic.

I gotta admit. me and RDD probably share views on some stuff but we are worlds apart on this.

:whatever

I've given my reasons, if you (not HTP directly but people in general) can't accept them that's too bad for you. Why do you feel/need to have my views match yours?

I have yet to give my reasons to round up gays for death camp island (if you need clarification on that last part, its a lame joke)

shocked moment over

So your bottom line is... what? I haven't caught it.

He hates teh gays?

i'm not about to start digging through this thread. I think its somewhere in the 20's

Geez dude, why are you always so evasive about this? I'm not asking you to dig through anything. Is it so hard for you to just say "this is what I think"?