*sees flaws inherent in the system*

Help, help, I'm bein' repressed!

king bad, rule by smart people good

My personal belief is that full citizenship (as in, all rights and privileges including the right to vote) should be earned, not conferred upon each person who happens to squirt out of a vagina on American soil. They make immigrants take a citizenship test; I don't see any reason why the same shouldn't be true for people who are born here.

Oh, really? You had a problem when I suggested that standard be applied to the children of non-American citizens born in America:



But now you would apply that standard to the children of Americans? I think your hippieness hast gone too far, good sir.

Sorry, I was talking about Freedonia. The US already has a constitution and I think we should abide by it. [/clarification]

Don't most/all accredited schools require the passage of a civics/government class for graduation? I guess that doesn't cover dropouts, but it does cover 90% of the population.

NationStates is alright. The game itself is pretty simple, but if you're in a good region National RP can be pretty fun.


The problem with a Philosopher King isn't the Philosopher King himself, but his successors. You'll get one, two, possibly even three good leaders. Eventually though the ruling class becomes complacent and you end up with either a tyrant or a slothful, lazy, and corrupt oligarchy.

Which is what happened in France. Louis XIV became the Philosopher King, and ruled efficiently, although also autocratically. The Estates General, the Royal French Parliament was never called, Louis unofficially dissolving it. Everyone figured it wasn't needed, as Louis seemed capable enough to run things on his own.
By the time Louis XVI came around the Estates still hadn't been called, and the royal and aristocratic classes, one capable, had grown lazy and out of touch. So the French people rebelled.

In Britain they did the opposite, and established a precedent whereby the Parliament would meet regularly. This more or less kept the Crown and nobles focused and on track. If they started to get complacent Parliament would cut off their funds. It also didn't hurt to have a regularly called elected assembly constantly keeping the Crown and the House of Lords in touch with the needs of the common people.

The Philosopher King/benevolent dictator really only works in the short term.

That book, Jennifer Government, on which this NationStates game is based, actually sounds pretty inneresting a read..

that was not in the original constitution but was an amendment put in to cover the children of freed slaves. it really has no relevance now. it can and should be removed.

Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?

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gay Nazis hawt

oh hell no.

Tripred has seen gay Nazis up close 'n personal and it was far FAR from the hawtness he expected!

You'd think a gay nazi would be somewhat of self eliminatory.

I've met male neos who turned out to be gay... but I bet if I met a gay female neo my stance would change



You've never heard of the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party then. One of their platform goals if they ever got into power in the US would be to relocate all non-US people to their relative countries... not realising that the entire party would have to go back to Europe. Talk about self-eliminatory!

http://www.nazi.org/