So yeah, just like the poll says, what's everyone's opinion of the more human enemies?

Professor Princess for the

A mix of rovot and humans is good. I'm kind of hoping they'll do a DR. ARkeville type character in the future.

robot*......I don't know what a "rovot" is

I've made my voice heard...







professor princess all the way

What they said.

I dig all the human villains and want them in an "Animated Heroes" line of two-packs, along with Sari, Sumdac, Spike, Carly, Daniel, and Fanzone.

Do them in 3 packs like minicon figures. Round about the same size too

Yeah, I was going to vote "The human villains are great." But I disagree with "They add a lot to the show." So

PROF. PRINCESS ALL THE WAY!!!

well it's good to see that people do actually like the humans in this show... now for the next poll.

I have to admit, I lose interest a little when the episodes revolve around the human characters... and by that I mean side characters, not central ones like Sari or Fanzone etc. But I don't really mind, and I certainly can't complain. It's a kids' show and the humans really don't occupy that much screen time; I'm lucky to be treated to such a wank-tacular TF series to begin with.

Angry Archer count? He has that robotic left hand of his...

The concept of human villains isn't inherently bad, but they're poorly done in Animated. :/

Mind you, human villains are typically done badly - there have been a few good human villains in TF history (e.g.: Circuit Breaker) but they're exception. Generally speaking, human villains suck arse. d:

Another interesting concept is humans not as villains - but still acting as complications against the protagonists. e.g.: R.A.A.T., Sector Seven etc. - humans who often work against the Autobots, but they're not actually villains and so the Autobots are limited in their capacity to fight against them.

In my opinion, the hole idea of human villians battling the Autobots is possibly the worst idea ever thought of in the entire Transformers Universe. I am mean how do humans fight robots who are like 8 times there size? Why don't the Autobots just grab a gun of sword and shred the evil humans? The only one who I kinda like is the Angry Archer.

PS: Professor Princess is the worst of them all.

These human villains work for me but only because they're as colorful as the Decepticons.

In a world where one Decepticon can take on a team of Autobots, you need some cannon fodder badguys and the humans serve that role nicely.

It's a pity that Marvel Comics owns the Neo-Knights and Circuit Breaker because they'd be nifty human heroes to use for an episode or two.

Maybe we could get a team of Headmaster/Actionmaster/Targetmaster types though.

Heck, with the Headmaster running around as one of the human badguys, it would be a pretty logical extension of Animated to have Targetmasters -- at least for the toy line.

I mean, if we're getting Samurai armor Prowl, why not do a wave of redecos with the human characters as accessories with an action feature?

Ie. Bumblebee with Sari, Prowl with his holo driver, Ratchet and Sumdac, Bulkhead and Fanzone. With the humans turning into guns! Or at least simply as drivers.

They could make a character similar to Circuit Breaker but with sufficient differences that she wouldn't infringe on Marvel.

Like maybe "Circuit Buster" - and you'd keep her original given or surname, like maybe Josie (surname) or (given name) Beller. Then fans would know that this character is supposed to be Circuit Breaker. Then just make her a scantily-clad hot redhead - a la Witchblade... ooh yeah.

It was darn tempting to vote for Professor Princess. ;D But in the end I cast a real vote. I really think the human villains are fine, as long as most of the time it's 'Bot vs 'Con. Having the human villains mixed in does add variety, as well as establish the Autobots as protectors of the people in general and not just from other robots. I'm crossing my fingers for Dr. Archivell to at least make a cameo. Maybe as Headmaster's dad?

Come to grips with it Goki; your dream of Circuit Breaker will likely never come to pass. Actually, who knows- what with all the homage craziness going on.

I don't mind the human villains....I enjoy them when they're actually a threat. And Porter C. Powell is cooler than all of you.

I'd be so down with Circuit Breaker making it into animated. Perfect villainous in the spirit of a true DC/Marvel villain.

Personally I really really don't care for a lot of the would be super villains. Being a long time fan of Teen Titans none of them have been nearly as cool as even Dr Light and he's an idiot. The supporting cast is possibly one of the best I've seen assembled for an animated series. From the get go I've had nothing but love for Sumdac, Sari, and Fanzone. . Even Porter C. Powell is great as the thieving corporate business man who constantly screws everyone over. Masters (Headmaster) is also a lot of fun because of his connection to Powell and his parody of the headmasters gimmick. Forget cybertron heroes I think these character are cool enough to own as actual action figures like any other Super hero/toy line.

Voted they're good but only if they in someway or other contribute to the outcome of the overall episode. PP didn't do a hell of a lot of anything other than give a pretty decent episode a hella quirky start as well as poke fun at another toy franchise. Can't remember if MLP is owned by Hasbro or Mattel.

They may seem annoying or ghey, but they serve a purpose; they act as cannon fodder, which means the s get to kick ass when they show up.
So why not? And Powell PWNS all.

Circuit Breaker is the property of marvel comics so the chances of her being in animated are quite low.

As I said before, they could get away with it by creating another scantily clad (hot) female villain with the same/similar powers and persona and calling her a different name like "Circuit Buster" or something... give her bigger boobs. ;p


Meh, I dunno... I don't think the show needs to have incredibly stupid human villains just to make the Decepticons look good. After all, looking good just because your competition is really, really poor isn't saying much. That's like saying that eating a Big Mac Value Meal is a lot healthier than eating a litre of buttered lard. I'm sure it would be, but hey... have some freakin' standards!

The reason why villains are always more powerful than heroes is to make the heroes look cool when they beat the villains, i.e.: they look good next to someone else who's also good. Weak-arse villains don't really make anyone look good. A Transformer defeating Professor Princess is kinda like taking candy from a baby. (-_-) Bumblebee thrashing Barricade in the movie on the other hand - when I saw the movie for the first time everyone in the cinema just yelled "YYEAAAAHH!" and started clapping really loudly when the Barricade/Bumblebee chase scene started.

Decent villains make the hero look good

Except they serve more of a purpose then just making the Decepticons look good by comparison. They allow the Decepticons to actually be bad ass when they do appear.

For better or worse, the majority of the show needs cannon fodder bad guys for the heroes (Autobots) to defeat relatively easily. Well if you use the Decepticons every week, they lose their allure as real threats. Even if you make them the baddest mofu's in the galaxy, they would start to look like pansies if they were beat by a team of repair bots week in and week out.

So throw in some cannon fodder human villains for the Autobots to beat up week in and week out. So then when the Decepticons do appear and come within a hair's length of victory it actually means something.

Or we could go back to the Decepticons losing every week, with the episode ending with Megs shaking his fist and yelling "Next time Prime!" or Bumblebee making a bad joke.

I don't think the human villains affect the Decepticons' image whatsoever really. How does being better than a really WEAK villain make you a better villain really? I'm not saying that the Animated Decepticons are necessarily bad - but I don't think that having pathetic human villains does anything for the Decepticons' image.

And it was the same in G1 (with rare exceptions, e.g.: Circuit Breaker, Dr Arkeville etc) - although the stupid human villains in G1 were actually even deadlier than in Animated! As incredibly lame as villains like Lord Chumley, the Road Jammers and the Mechanic are - they actually presented more of a challenge to the Autobots than Professor Princess or Angry Archer could ever dream of... they're more comparable to the Headmaster - a force to be reckoned with, but still incredibly stupid/lame. (-_-)

Guys, you're missing something. The human villains aren't included to make the Decepticons look good. They're there to make the AUTOBOTS look good. Rocky is okay as a 2 hour movie (hero gets his ass handed to him, turns it around in the end AGAINST ALL ODDS). I'm thinking a solid 26 episodes of the heroes getting their asses kicked...not too entertaining.

Circuit Bustier?

nyuck nyuck nyuck ;D


...and even there they fail because it just doesn't say much when the Autobots defeat such pathetic villains. Heroes only look good when they defeat villains that are equally or more powerful than themselves... defeating someone who's your inferior isn't saying much.

We need villains that provide a sufficient challenge for our protagonists, whether they be human, Decepticon, Quintesson or otherwise...

You guys are forgetting that Hasbro currently owns the rights to make toys based on Marvel characters.

yeah but that doesn't mean that Marvel characters can appear in Animated - otherwise we'd be seeing Spiderman making another TF cameo.

So long as they appeared only in Marvel's G1 comicbook, I don't see what the problem would be.

Man... are you even paying attention to what you're replying to??





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Except that the human villains aren't so much the inferiors of the Autobots. They're not soldiers, they're repair bots.
Yes, they've grown into their roles as soldiers somewhat, but they still lack the skills, training, and weapons that Autobot soldiers posses. So to pit them against overwhelming forces week in and week out, and have them win week in and week out, makes their opponents look bad rather then making them look good.

Yes, my point still stands. If a character has appeared only in the Marvel G1 comic, which is a seperate continuity from the main Marvel Universe, then they're more of a Transformer character than a Marvel character. It's like saying Spike and Daniel can't appear in Animated because they're Sunbow characters.

Unfortunately that's not how it worked out. Marvel was smart enough (or sleazy enough) to get the character registered as property of Marvel, rather then of Transformers/Hasbro.

HOLY shot YOU LIVE

...I give up... continuing a discussion with Aquarion is about as useful/constructive as speaking with Direrose... (-_-)

Never having to fight humans would be fake.

You know, Agent Zero gave me an actual answer that was satisfactory.

it's time to use this image again...

I agree that if the 'Cons had their asses handed to them week after week, it would look less realistic in the fact that the earthobots are just a former repair crew, and the earthacons are trained and heavily armed. I like the idea of human villains/public nuisances. It add realism to the fact that they're on earth (ins teh futer) and makes it so, as has been said, the 'Cons tricks don't get old (but Blitzwing's "man-e-faces thing never get old) P.C. and Headmaster are by far my favorite, with Nanosec and Angry Archer coming in 3rd and 4th. Having human Villains is a nice touch, but I need my 'Bot vs 'Con fix every now and then.

= x infinity

...the good guys don't always have to win.

I know, but its good to have some petty villains that the heroes beat every now and then... continuously... and then randomly escape from jail just to be put back in...