The (VERY) vocal Democratic Party Chairman, Howard Dean, is urging either Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama to drop out of the race prior to the Superdelegate Convention in August. Although both candidates can wait until the convention to cede their cause, Dean is concerned that a lack of unity between the June primaries and the convention will give the Republican rival, Sen. John McCain, an edge. Dean did not indicate at the time of the report who he felt should drop out.

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Please let it be Hillary that drops out... please, please, please...

Yeah, pretty much.

*insert Howard Dean scream here*

I want it to keep going for my own reasons. so ARRGGHHH back atcha Dean.

*waits to see Howard Dean spoof of the Hulk just like the Simpsons*

"My party's rules for choosing its candidate are really mucking things up...YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!"

Hey, remember when Howard Dean screamed that one time years and years ago? Oh man, that was awesome. Ha ha. Let's all keep remembering that.

It's not as funny to tell old Bush jokes because the punchline is always people getting killed.

That's not true.

Sometimes the joke is about when outrageous war spending sends your country into an economic downturn.

*cries*

He did it here in Iowa, so it's lore and stuff.

Hey, if you can think of anything else funny Howard Dean has done, I'm all ears.

Well, we could also...I don't know...talk about what he said and stuff. I'm all for jokes in serious threads, but did we really need three "Dean Scream" references in a row? It wasn't even that funny when it was current.

Well, it is pretty funny if you listen to it.

But it definitely is in the Irrelevant to Life category.

This is the stuff all great posts are made of, dammit!

Agreed. We can all move on.

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Okay, but kittens in danger make everything funny.

If they haven't listened to everyone else in America, why listen to Dean?

To be fair, only one of them isn't listening.

why listen to dean ? I dont really like him that much I also dont like Hillary I rather see Obama get the democrate nomination then hillary

I wanted to sound "fair and balanced" and stuff.

Dick Morris is claiming that Hillary is continuing to run at this point only to sabotage Obama's chances in the general election, clearing the way for her to run in 2012. Morris notes that neither Clinton did much at all to help Kerry get elected in 2004, and his hypothesis is that they had the same strategy in mind then.

P.S. the person who invited Rev. Wright to speak at that press club thingy... is a Clinton supporter

The Press Club speech wasn't bad compared to his speech at the NAACP. I hadn't seen anything from that until the Daily Show last night. Not. The Same. Character. Wow.

*wonders if, were the shoe on the other foot, Obama would bow out of the race today*

*wonders if speculation is ever meaningful*

Okay, everyone, Lord Madhammer has put us on notice that speculation in political threads is no longer useful. So no more:
"If Obama wins...this"
"If Hillary wins...this"
"If Hillary/Obama wins the Democratic nomination, then the presidential election will go like this..."
"If a giagantic meteor lands on John McCain's head and Mike Huckabee wins the Republican nomination, we'll all need to get out abortions in before January, 2009."

(It WAS a hypothetical question, sure, but I was also asking the question to get other people's responses and thoughts on the matter. I wasn't just being snarky.)

(but now I am)

SNARK

I get a strong impression that this is Obama's only shot. And that that decision is self-imposed (or rather, imposed by his wife). Now, of course, that may change, but I don't know. I don't think Obama has it in him to be the sort of scorched-earth war-of-attrition politician that Clinton clearly is. If he had no chance of winning, I think he would have bowed out already.

We're only still talking about Clinton as a viable candidate because OMG it's Hillary Clinton

But she DOES still have a chance, however slim, of winning the nomination, right? With all the remaining primaries and the Wizards of Oz super delegates?

And, if so, why would she bow out? The Clintons have always been power-hunger control mongers, why quit now?

(which is kind of why I "speculated" that if everything was the same, only Clinton and Obama changed places, would there be a call for him to bow out? And if so, would he? I don't think so on either count.)

Perhaps because her persistence is slowly draining her potential to win a general election? I think she's in a no-win situation.

Her only chance is with the superdelegates. Mathematically, it's impossible for her to win. And I mean "impossible" in the sense of anything that is likely at all to happen, ever. She *could* win 100% of the remaining delegates, technically. But we know that isn't going to happen. She needs to win every contest by an 80/20 margin in order to catch Obama in the delegate count. She has only ever blown out Obama ONCE -- in her "home state" of Arkansas.

And it's also highly unlikely that the Democratic higher-ups will allow Clinton's argument about Michigan and Florida to stand. They were uncontested primaries. Most likely they'll just divvy up the delegates evenly and seat them at the convention. This is also not in Clinton's favor, obviously.

So really, she has no chance at all, unless Obama does something totally crazy insane like shooting the Pope or something.

If Morris' comments are true... what a slap in the face to the Dems. She's willing to let McCain take it so she can ride another shot in 2012? Talk about selfish. Amazizng anyone would want that in office.

...or the preacher of his church goes all crazy, or he totally alienates small-town voters, or he talks out of both sides of his mouth re: NAFTA, or it comes to light that an admitted terrorist once hosted a fundraiser for him...

Now, I'm not saying that this stuff should or shouldn't be held against him, or that they're even legit beefs with the guy, but these are all stories that have come out in the past couple months. Maybe an argument could be made that it is HIS fault she's even still in the race. Up until just here recently, it looked like he was (to borrow a phrase from NASCAR) clear ahead and pullin' away.

Chances look pretty slim for her, I agree, but you never know if or when they'll find that dead crack whore in Obama's closet.

Or dead deputy white house counsel on top of a pile of law firm billing records in Hilary's.

Yeah, no matter what kind of baggage Obama might have, it doesn't mean that Clinton has any less. Which is something that she overlooks when making her case. Her negative poll ratings are higher now than they were at the start of the campaign, and they were already really high. She's one of the most polarizing figures in politics, and has been for 15 years.

And honestly, Obama's biggest issue is Reverend Wright, and it's becoming increasingly clear that he has his own (not necessarily pro-Obama) agenda. I think that he's going to be marginalized as an issue for Obama by the time November rolls around. If nothing else, it'll be old news.

Wright moving to the conductor's seat of the crazy train is a great chance for Obama to squash the issue...he can really distance himself from Wright without having to do much back-tracking from his big speech.

Boy, that's an understatement. Reading the transcript of his speech at the press club, he says, "And I said to Barack Obama, last year, "If you get elected, November the 5th (4th-ST53), I'm coming after you - because you'll be representing a government whose policies grind under people."

I can imagine Obama's reaction.

Spoken response: [awkward laughter]

Unspoken response: jesus christ get this dude away from me

And here comes the press conference:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/040..._on_Wright.html

more:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9...;show_article=1

Relevant quote:

GOD D*MN AMERICA, why is this guy still talking about me?

ATTENTION WHORE'D!

But Clinton's baggage is all abstract political/financial/legal stuff that your average American doesn't understand or care about in the first place. Obama's (mostly fictional) baggage represents everything that scares the crap out of middle Americans - Muslims, hippy terrorists, a lack of American flag lapel pins/manufactured patriotism, and black people.

Unfortunately I think this is the biggest issue. Especially given the reaction to Rev. Wright's statements, which are more shocking / surprising the less one knows about the African-American church.*










*which is not to say that all Black churches preach the same message as the snippets of Wright's sermons that we've seen on YouTube, just that his theology exists as a school of thought among some in the African-American church.

It's also worth noting that there are plenty of white people who hate America.

*I* think it's worth noting that McCain is seeking out John Hagee's endorsement, while Obama is wishing he didn't have Wright's.

BTW, after seeing Newt Gingrich on The Daily Show last night, I've reinforced my opinion that he's a total chode.

Dry Humping

LOLs in the SC household for 15 continuous minutes

seriously

The GTA bit was funny too.

Tempered only by my Scalia angst. APPOINTED FOR LIFE

Gingrich didn't give me the "OMG CHODE" as much as you... I do think he's a smart guy, but clearly he's still got some partisan douchery up his sleeve.