Kay, I really like the new animated show, but it really bothers me that optimus and his crew (except for ratchet) didn't appear during the great war. Optimus just had to be Megatron's adversary in the great war, but in the animated show, he wasn't.
So , I like to think that optimus, bumblebee and prowl are not the original ones, just new character with the same names, who will eventually be equal to their "ancestors"?
So basically, I like to think that animated is a kind of sequel to G1, y'know.
Especially with ratchet, Ultra magnus and Jazz, who survived the great war.

This is all just the beginning of a little theory I got going on this morning, so, eh, let's talk!
waddaya think?

It's a completely new continuity.

For the love of Primus....

This isn't connected to G1 in any way whatsoever. It's a brand new continuity. In this continuity Optimus Prime and Co. are lowly repair bots and Ultra Magnus was Megatron's arch enemy from the Great War.

The writers try and do something nice for the fans by throwing in some G1 footage as an easter egg, and this is what we get....

Uh, did you watch more than five minutes of the movie? If you had, the answer would have been obvious.

Everybody, be nice to the young one. He doesn't know.

Gothy: Although fairly obvious, when Animated first started some people mistook the first few seconds of the movie as indicative of it being directly linked to G1. Despite all reason, these people insisted on this connection. This is the reason some others in this thread react so harshly to what you posted.

However, I must state that I am one of those people who do not agree with the notion that "interpretation is free". The writers wrote the show with a certain mindset, a goal and what not. It is interesting to specify and examine that, but when, as you state, you want to see the show as a continuation of G1, you are creating things that are not there, and disregarding other elements that are.

The writers have specifically stated that this is, in fact, not linked to G1 at all, but a brand-new story, which should be treated on its own (Unlike, let's say, Beast Wars, which was very clearly a continuation of the original G1 story).

So, to answer your question: Nope, I completely disagree with you.

It'll be kinda cool to see the not-so-confident Prime grow into the uber-autobot leader and ultimate match against Megatron that he eventually becomes. The fact that all of the Autobots are barely a match for one Decepticon has to change eventually as all of them become more seasoned "warriors" since half of them started out without any actually soldiering.

I really want to see them get some real weapons too.

As far as continuity... I don't mind the redux, but I would like to see them stop coming up with lame characters like My Little Pony girl, Meltdown, Robin Hood, etc.

I agree with this a zillion percent. It's like we're seeing the transition from Orion Pax to Optimus Prime. Or the Rodimus Prime who might have been.

I'm curious as to what's going to happen with Ultra Magnus (and I'm thinking pretty far down the road here). He's the supreme Autobot commander, and Prime is just some guy. Even if Prime does end up growing into his "G1 self", so to speak, he's still not going to be the leader of the Autobots, the way his G1 namesake was.

Though one thing about this show is that they allow the characters and story to grow in a much more organic fashion. They're not in a hurry to push their characters along, which I really appreciate because you become invested in their story, and the conclusion of the story will mean that much more as a result.

and P.S. yes, let's play nice. Not everyone here has been spending the last three months on a TF message board.

Difference between three months on a TF board and actually watching the full episode the G1 footage was in...

*sigh*

Hey, look. Just don't be an asshole to the new guy. It's not that hard to figure out.

Meaning what exactly?



Me?

wat?

and with my other hand....

I'm guessing that Megs PWNS Ultra Magnus at some point. That's just conjecture on my end, but it seems the easiest way to get rid of Magnus to make room for Optimus.


My apologies. I didn't realize he was a newbie. For a moment it seemed like he was one of the G1 fanboys who know Animated is its own continuity, but still try to fit it into the G1 story because they don't like the way Prime and Co. are portrayed. Again, my mistake.

Yeah, but Magnus getting killed wouldn't make Prime his successor. Like I said, he's just some guy. There'd be a lot of political hoo-hah that would need to happen in order for Prime to actually be made supreme Autobot commander...


...since in Animated, the Autobots have an actual society and stuff

Unless they pull a TF:TM and have UM designate OP be the new leader.

Which wouldn't surprise if they go that route... Simply because by then(Like three seasons from now), OP will most likely have proven himself a billion times over.

True enough. Or perhaps by the time Magnus kicks it OP will have risen to second in command. There's still plenty of time to position Optimus so he can take over once UM gets his ass handed to him.

That's possible, but that would be a long time from now.

I'm guessing that UM biting the dust won't happen until season 4, if it happens...

They haven't made any mention of the "Leadership Matrix" have they?
if UM currently has it... perhaps Megs will rip that sucker from UM's chest and OP will fight to get it back.. and in doing so will prove he is more worthy of having it... or something...

No Matrix so far. I believe the Allspark/Sari's key is the closest thing to it right now. The key has very Creation Matrix(From the Marvel Comics TF comics)-like powers.

IMO

the Allspark looks suspiciously like the Autobot Matrix of Leadership.

hmm

I believe I saw it somewhere that Magnus's second-in-command is Jazz and Sentinel Prime is high in the ranks as well. So most likely, being an Academy dropout and in a repair crew, Optimus has a long way to go before taking over the head honcho's seat. I'd say he'd either have to be chosen by Magnus as his successor or appointed to the Elite Guard and rise through the ranks.

But the hero's story always has a humble beginning...

Maybe there's a sword in a stone somewhere that' bump him right up to the top...

Prime discovers he's the long-lost Prince of Cybertron

Lone Star'd!

or alternately


He-man'd!

I think if Prime becomes supreme commander then he'll become it by "accident." Plus this Optimus Prime is very different then previous incarnations.

Kay, actually , you weren't that far of. I know I'm don't show myself a lot, but I've been a member of this board for a while now (I think it's about 5 years). And since then I have been studying the transformers universe every single day. And in fact, I used to watch the movie every sunday, and I still remember it perfectly.

I completely understand that you guys don't agree with me, since it's a very weird theory. And I didn't even agree to it myself, it was just something that crossed my mind, I didn't even want to think about all of the flaws in it.

Oh, and I DO VERY MUCH RESPECT respect the original storylines, in fact, I like them al very much.
I do think I'm gonna post a little more, so, eh , see you guys soon!

hey man, your idea is all out of whack. Its not IN the contiunity itself, but it IS the G1 contuinity in alot of ways. The SAME ways the live movie has made G1 REDONE. Its a REDONE G1 continuity IMO. \

WhaddaYOU think?

it ain't G1 continuity, and it really looks almost nothing like it. There's a lot of Homage here, but the pieces fit very differently for Animated than for G1.

I think you need to be careful how you say that. Animated is not the G1 continuity at all, because the G1 continuity is the G1 story and timeline. Animated is a reboot, a re-imagining, a redux. Any one of those words will do. But strictly speaking, Animated is not G1 *anything*. It uses names from G1, it uses the same basic premise, but it is as G1 as Armada, Energon and Cybertron were. Which is to say, not at all.

I know you knew that, but I think some confusion and needless is happening because of a lack of clarity.

TY Madhammer ,nicely stated.

I completely agree to the fact that all the useless here is caused by a misunderstanding, which was caused by me.
So , again , I apologize.

I think what we're likely to see in Animated, is at some point, it is going to be revealed that Optimus is Magnus's brother, and will likely be the 'chosen one' at whatever point they decide to bring that into play, at which time he'll make his rise to leadership. Seems the most plausible to me. I doubt we'll see many, if any characters bumped off in this series.

In the original G1 continuity, Optimus Prime was never Ultra Magnus' brother. That was entirely a fan construction, with which the official institutions ran. This Optimus Prime never fought in the Great Wars, while Ultra Magnus, at that time was already old.

No, I think the brother/best friend in youth position will be filled by Sentinel Prime, especially since there has to be a link between them, with the whole Prime-suffix.

It's been established in today's episode that "Prime" is a rank designation. But we already knew that Sentinel and Optimus used to be friends anyway.

As for "brothers"...? I haven't seen the show go in that direction yet. I hope they don't.

I wouldn't mind them doing it if they clearly establish what the word "brother" means to Transformers and, in doing so, canonically eliminate all possibility of Transformers sexual reproduction.