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Darth Caine
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By LINDSEY TANNER, AP Medical Writer Tue Mar 11, 7:27 PM ET

CHICAGO - At least one in four teenage American girls has a sexually transmitted disease, suggests a first-of-its-kind federal study that startled some adolescent-health experts.

Some doctors said the numbers might be a reflection of both abstinence-only sex education and teens' own sense of invulnerabilty. Because some sexually transmitted infections can cause infertility and cancer, U.S. health officials called for better screening, vaccination and prevention.

Only about half of the girls in the study acknowledged having sex. Some teens define sex as only intercourse, yet other types of intimate behavior including oral sex can spread some diseases.

Among those who admitted having sex, the rate was even more disturbing — 40 percent had an STD.

"This is pretty shocking," said Dr. Elizabeth Alderman, an adolescent medicine specialist at Montefiore Medical Center's Children's Hospital in New York.

"To talk about abstinence is not a bad thing," but teen girls — and boys too — need to be informed about how to protect themselves if they do have sex, Alderman said.

The overall STD rate among the 838 girls in the study was 26 percent, which translates to more than 3 million girls nationwide, researchers with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found. They released the results Tuesday at an STD prevention conference in Chicago.

"Those numbers are certainly alarming," said sex education expert Nora Gelperin, who works with a teen-written Web site called sexetc.org. She said they reflect "the sad state of sex education in our country."

"Sexuality is still a very taboo subject in our society," she said. "Teens tell us that they can't make decisions in the dark and that adults aren't properly preparing them to make responsible decisions."

Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said the study shows that "the national policy of promoting abstinence-only programs is a $1.5 billion failure, and teenage girls are paying the real price."

Similar claims were made last year when the government announced the teen birth rate rose between 2005 and 2006, the first increase in 15 years.

The new study by CDC researcher Dr. Sara Forhan relied on slightly older data. It is an analysis of nationally representative records on girls ages 14 to 19 who participated in a 2003-04 government health survey.

The teens were tested for four infections: human papillomavirus, or HPV, which can cause cervical cancer and affected 18 percent of girls studied; chlamydia, which affected 4 percent; trichomoniasis, 2.5 percent; and genital herpes, 2 percent.

Dr. John Douglas, director of the CDC's division of STD prevention, said the results are the first to examine the combined national prevalence of common sexually transmitted diseases among adolescent girls. He said the data, now a few years old, likely reflect current prevalence rates.

Disease rates were significantly higher among black girls — nearly half had at least one STD, versus 20 percent among both whites and Mexican-Americans.

HPV, the cancer-causing virus, can also cause genital warts but often has no symptoms. A vaccine targeting several HPV strains recently became available, but Douglas said it probably hasn't yet had much impact on HPV prevalence rates in teen girls.

The CDC recommends the three-dose HPV vaccine for girls ages 11-12 and catch-up shots for ages 13-26.

Chlamydia, which often has no symptoms but can lead to infertility, can be treated with antibiotics. The CDC recommends annual chlamydia screening for all sexually active women under age 25. Trichomoniasis, also treatable with antibiotics, can cause abnormal discharge and painful urination. Genital herpes can cause blisters but often has no symptoms. It's not curable but medicine can help.

The CDC's Dr. Kevin Fenton said given the dangers of some STDs, "screening, vaccination and other prevention strategies for sexually active women are among our highest public health priorities."

Douglas said screening tests are underused in part because many teens don't think they're at risk, but also, some doctors mistakenly think: "Sexually transmitted diseases don't happen to the kinds of patients I see."

Teens need to hear the dual message that STDs can be prevented by abstinence and condoms, said Dr. Ellen Kruger, an obstetrician-gynecologist at Ochsner Medical Center in New Orleans.

"You've got to hammer at them," with appropriate information at each stage of teen development to make sure it sinks in, she said.

She said there are a lot of myths out there, too — many sexually active teens think the withdrawal method will protect them, or that douching with Coca-Cola will kill STD germs.

Dr. Margaret Blythe, an adolescent medicine specialist at Indiana University School of Medicine, said some doctors hesitate to discuss STDs with teen patients or offer screening because of confidentiality concerns, knowing parents would have to be told of the results.

Blythe, who heads an American Academy of Pediatrics committee on adolescence, noted that the academy supports confidential teen screening.
G.A.S.H.
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This is one of the reasons why I think "sex ed" classes are useless, and people aren't addressing the right things anymore. And it's going to be blamed on something not true. Movies, TV or games this time?
Darth Caine
Mostly will be blamed on games, with courtesy of Joe Lieberman.
G.A.S.H.
And that irritates me. OK? Why are you blaming it on them?
A kid playing GTA? Hmm, well it's 18. Argument automatically fails
If they do something they copied from a game, they were wrong in the head to begin with...
etc
Parents just don't want to own up to their own faults in raising kids...
DarkNarcoleptic
Wow, I'm glad I'm not into teenage girls.
G.A.S.H.
I am, but then I am one. Well, teenager anyway... damn, my secrets been revealed. Bugger
*ahem*
Darth Caine
Condoms weren't invented without a purpose, anyway.
G.A.S.H.
Thing is, this whole thing about schools teaching it is stupid. They're gonna do it (probably). At least say if you do it, wear it... but then that "encourages" it... rolleyestf.gif
Asthaloth
So when did they get the time to test every single Teenage girl?
Or is this one of those "We tested 100 people who we knew were at a high risk because of circumstances to skew this test in the favour of our agenda" things?



Oh, right.
Lord Madhammer
I think regardless, the message of "OMG WEAR A FREAKING CONDOM" should be pretty darn clear.

along with "OMG YOU CAN STILL GET AN STD IF YOU POLISH SOMEONE'S KNOB" since that seems to be all the rage with the young kids these days
Haggisjin
I'm glad to see all that abstinence only education and virginity pledging is working out for everyone.
Drewbie
QUOTE (Asthaloth @ Mar 15 2008, 04:34 PM) *
So when did they get the time to test every single Teenage girl?
Or is this one of those "We tested 100 people who we knew were at a high risk because of circumstances to skew this test in the favour of our agenda" things?



Oh, right.

I was wondering the same thing. And if one out of 5 girls has 2 stds, does that count as 20% OR 40%?
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (Drewbie @ Mar 17 2008, 07:48 AM) *
QUOTE (Asthaloth @ Mar 15 2008, 04:34 PM) *
So when did they get the time to test every single Teenage girl?
Or is this one of those "We tested 100 people who we knew were at a high risk because of circumstances to skew this test in the favour of our agenda" things?



Oh, right.

I was wondering the same thing. And if one out of 5 girls has 2 stds, does that count as 20% OR 40%?

Are you guys implying that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are being paid off by "Big Condom"? Curse Trojan Man and his lobbying ways. *shakes fist*

Seriously, obviously the results of the study may not translate over to the entire general population, but compiling statistics is neither a new practice, nor one with a completely bogus track-record.

And condom use is something kids need to learn about. Abstinence is an unrealistic expectation, and therefore a dangerous behavior to encourage without arming kids with proper knowledge on safe sex.
SkyClonus
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 17 2008, 10:00 AM) *
QUOTE (Drewbie @ Mar 17 2008, 07:48 AM) *
QUOTE (Asthaloth @ Mar 15 2008, 04:34 PM) *
So when did they get the time to test every single Teenage girl?
Or is this one of those "We tested 100 people who we knew were at a high risk because of circumstances to skew this test in the favour of our agenda" things?



Oh, right.

I was wondering the same thing. And if one out of 5 girls has 2 stds, does that count as 20% OR 40%?

Are you guys implying that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are being paid off by "Big Condom"? Curse Trojan Man and his lobbying ways. *shakes fist*

Seriously, obviously the results of the study may not translate over to the entire general population, but compiling statistics is neither a new practice, nor one with a completely bogus track-record.

And condom use is something kids need to learn about. Abstinence is an unrealistic expectation, and therefore a dangerous behavior to encourage without arming kids with proper knowledge on safe sex.


Actually, they do. That's the whole purpose of a statistical sample...
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (Moose And Squirrel @ Mar 17 2008, 08:05 AM) *
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 17 2008, 10:00 AM) *
QUOTE (Drewbie @ Mar 17 2008, 07:48 AM) *
QUOTE (Asthaloth @ Mar 15 2008, 04:34 PM) *
So when did they get the time to test every single Teenage girl?
Or is this one of those "We tested 100 people who we knew were at a high risk because of circumstances to skew this test in the favour of our agenda" things?



Oh, right.

I was wondering the same thing. And if one out of 5 girls has 2 stds, does that count as 20% OR 40%?

Are you guys implying that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are being paid off by "Big Condom"? Curse Trojan Man and his lobbying ways. *shakes fist*

Seriously, obviously the results of the study may not translate over to the entire general population, but compiling statistics is neither a new practice, nor one with a completely bogus track-record.

And condom use is something kids need to learn about. Abstinence is an unrealistic expectation, and therefore a dangerous behavior to encourage without arming kids with proper knowledge on safe sex.


Actually, they do. That's the whole purpose of a statistical sample...

Well, you can't guarantee it. There could be errors in methodology and stuff. You can't know for sure without reading the study yourself. But, hey, I'm on your side about it. See the other half of that sentence that says statistical data is a common practice with a good track record and stuff? thumbsup1.gif
ReverendNash
As long as the sample taken is truly random, Statistical data is actually extremely accurate. They stated that the sample size was in the 800s which is more than enough data to accurately project national averages. It would be interesting to see what coefficient of variation and standard deviation were though. ***














***runs and hides away, knows too much about statistics
SkyClonus
QUOTE (ReverendNash @ Mar 17 2008, 10:18 AM) *
As long as the sample taken is truly random, Statistical data is actually extremely accurate. They stated that the sample size was in the 800s which is more than enough data to accurately project national averages. It would be interesting to see what coefficient of variation and standard deviation were though. ***














***runs and hides away, knows too much about statistics


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Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (ReverendNash @ Mar 17 2008, 11:18 AM) *
As long as the sample taken is truly random, Statistical data is actually extremely accurate. They stated that the sample size was in the 800s which is more than enough data to accurately project national averages. It would be interesting to see what coefficient of variation and standard deviation were though.

I was thinking something like that, but with less smart words.
ReverendNash
CoV is the accuracy level they were hoping to achieve (85% accurate), and SD is the actual +/- % of accuracy that you see in fine print on every survey/study you've ever seen (ex. Obama 52%, Clinton 51%, +/- 5%).
Drewbie
QUOTE (ReverendNash @ Mar 17 2008, 11:18 AM) *
As long as the sample taken is truly random, Statistical data is actually extremely accurate. They stated that the sample size was in the 800s which is more than enough data to accurately project national averages. It would be interesting to see what coefficient of variation and standard deviation were though. ***


To be random, they'd have to be evenly distributed. That would be 20 girls from each state. That wouldn't be feasible (if you're spending the money to go to every state, why not test more than 20 at a time?). They probably did 100 girls in 8 states, if not more in less. That's not random, and can allow for very significant bias.

I don't think they're paid off by "big condom", but there is a pretty big lobby against abstinence-only teaching. (not that I think condom usage shouldn't be taught).

Also, the population of the US is 303,652,128. Assuming 50-50 gender gap, that's ~150,000,000 women. Assuming evenly distributed ages (which is generous, as there are more people around 45-50 than 14-19), and that average life expectancy is ~80, that's about 1,900,000 girls in this age catergory. the ~800 tested account for .04% of that group, which is NOT a representative sample.
SkyClonus
A study w/ an n-value of 800 totally could be representative...that's actually pretty good from studies I've seen.
ReverendNash
QUOTE (Drewbie @ Mar 17 2008, 09:51 AM) *
To be random, they'd have to be evenly distributed. That would be 20 girls from each state. That wouldn't be feasible (if you're spending the money to go to every state, why not test more than 20 at a time?). They probably did 100 girls in 8 states, if not more in less. That's not random, and can allow for very significant bias.

I don't think they're paid off by "big condom", but there is a pretty big lobby against abstinence-only teaching. (not that I think condom usage shouldn't be taught).

Also, the population of the US is 303,652,128. Assuming 50-50 gender gap, that's ~150,000,000 women. Assuming evenly distributed ages (which is generous, as there are more people around 45-50 than 14-19), and that average life expectancy is ~80, that's about 1,900,000 girls in this age catergory. the ~800 tested account for .04% of that group, which is NOT a representative sample.

Have you ever taken a Stat course to know how and why it works? 20 would be an undersized sample, and you wouldn't be able to get a CoV above approx 70% (if I remember correctly), it would have to be no less than 31, and of course the larger the sample the higher the CoV. You also need to remember when comparing, lets say New York and South Dakota, you would need more data from NY than SD due to population dispersion. Statistical data isn't hard to compile, and there are a lot of algorithms that go into these computations.

303,652,128 is a statistically calculated number by the way. So, um... sarcasticpelicanlb2.gif
Asthaloth
QUOTE (Moose And Squirrel @ Mar 17 2008, 06:05 PM) *
A study w/ an n-value of 800 totally could be representative...that's actually pretty good from studies I've seen.



The UK Has 60,000,000 people or so.
The US is Five times that. (as indicated by Drewbie)

That ain't indicative of diddly.
ReverendNash
^Did you bother to read my posts?

And again, ~60,000,000 is a statistically calculated number. I can promise you, that no one has ever been able to make it from door to door to door and count how many people live there. Regional averages. Taking any average is a form of basic stat.
SkyClonus
QUOTE (Asthaloth @ Mar 17 2008, 02:09 PM) *
QUOTE (Moose And Squirrel @ Mar 17 2008, 06:05 PM) *
A study w/ an n-value of 800 totally could be representative...that's actually pretty good from studies I've seen.



The UK Has 60,000,000 people or so.
The US is Five times that. (as indicated by Drewbie)

That ain't indicative of diddly.


That would be totally relevant if the study included the UK.
Lord Madhammer
All I have to say is:

"big condom" laughlol.gif
SkyClonus
*imagines "Truth" adds*
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (Moose And Squirrel @ Mar 17 2008, 01:05 PM) *
*imagines "Truth" adds*

Big Condom wants you to think "sheep skin" is just a phrase. Think again.
DarkNarcoleptic
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Asthaloth
ReverendNash:


You ever heard of a national census?
I don't know if you do them, but we get them every few years, and I can give you a pretty accurate idea of the number of people in the UK, as well as the racial and sexual breakdown.
Of course, due to the nature of the Census we cannot be perfectly sure, but it is based upon far more than Regional averages and guess work. rolleyestf.gif
majin tahu
QUOTE (Asthaloth @ Mar 17 2008, 07:56 PM) *
ReverendNash:


You ever heard of a national census?
I don't know if you do them, but we get them every few years, and I can give you a pretty accurate idea of the number of people in the UK, as well as the racial and sexual breakdown.
Of course, due to the nature of the Census we cannot be perfectly sure, but it is based upon far more than Regional averages and guess work. rolleyestf.gif


so your saying that every census taken just happens to land on a nice round number? I doubt that there are exactly sixty million people in the uk.
a national census is a statistical average.
Drewbie
QUOTE (ReverendNash @ Mar 17 2008, 01:08 PM) *
Have you ever taken a Stat course to know how and why it works? 20 would be an undersized sample, and you wouldn't be able to get a CoV above approx 70% (if I remember correctly), it would have to be no less than 31, and of course the larger the sample the higher the CoV. You also need to remember when comparing, lets say New York and South Dakota, you would need more data from NY than SD due to population dispersion. Statistical data isn't hard to compile, and there are a lot of algorithms that go into these computations.

yeah, I've taken 4 semesters of it, so I know how it works, and how easy it is to have a biased sample. I've also seen enough ads and articles to know that you can get a statistic to say anything you want it to. Statistical data isn't hard to compile, but it *is* hard to apply. This study doesn't directly show anything other than "26% of the ~800 girls sampled has an STD". Anything more than that is speculation, and may not be accurate at all.

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303,652,128 is a statistically calculated number by the way. So, um... sarcasticpelicanlb2.gif

actually, it's a Google calculated number. thumbsup1.gif Besides, even if it is statistically derived, the census samples more than 800 people icon_wink.gif
Teh INTERNETS ^_^
*cancels trip to the States*


Does anyone find naming a condom company (Trojan) after a wall that got broken through kind of unsettling?
pathfinder74
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Disease rates were significantly higher among black girls — nearly half had at least one STD, versus 20 percent among both whites and Mexican-Americans.


Just saying...

They also conveniently left out the income level and regional demographic. I'm sure this isn't nearly as prevalent in the suburbs as it is in urban areas. More among low income families than higher. More in California than in Massachusetts. More among kids with lower education levels and less active in sports/extra curricular (sucking "d' is not an EC activity)... dumb kids do dumb things. Kids busy with sports have less time to be things in their mouth/baginas.

It all boils down to parenting. The nanny state can't control the kids nearly as much as it wants people to believe it can.

Haggisjin
Just saying...

In high school I repeatedly did the nasty with a straight A (female) student on the volley ball team who had a local magistrate for a mum.

We also lived in a nice suburban rural area with a low crime rate.

TEENAGERS = SECKS FIENDS
Teh INTERNETS ^_^
QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Mar 21 2008, 06:52 PM) *
Just saying...

In high school I repeatedly did the nasty with a straight A (female) student on the volley ball team who had a local magistrate for a mum.

We also lived in a nice suburban rural area with a low crime rate.

Bet you used rubbers.
Haggisjin
You bet your arse I did.


Then again, I had an education that listed the plethora of STI's out there, and the manner in which to avoid them (picture of a wang with herpes on it = ALWAYS WEAR A CONDOM ALWAYS guh copy.gif )
pathfinder74
QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Mar 21 2008, 10:52 PM) *
Just saying...

In high school I repeatedly did the nasty with a straight A (female) student on the volley ball team who had a local magistrate for a mum.

We also lived in a nice suburban rural area with a low crime rate.

TEENAGERS = SECKS FIENDS


Exception, not the norm... or at least the minority, not the majority. The statistics are out there. Feel free to educuate yourself.
Haggisjin
I just meant that teenagers, everywhere, will be having sex, or at least wishing like hell that they are. It's what they're meant to be doing. The difference between a pregnant teen with chlamydia and one just enjoying riding a pole is an education on how to avoid becoming pregnant and getting chlamydia.
ULTRA MANGOS
i bet the boys get the death peenalty heheheheheheh quite bad though























oh and hats also gross
G.A.S.H.
QUOTE (Teh INTERNETS ^_^ @ Mar 21 2008, 09:03 AM) *
Does anyone find naming a condom company (Trojan) after a wall that got broken through kind of unsettling?

Condom? I'm sorry, what?
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Mind you, with the way people do it nowadays, I don't think they need condoms for avoiding pregnancy. Everything else, most definitely. But sod that, why should they bother?
Eh, why should I bother talking about this anyway? Not being all emo or whatever people want to try and say, but I do sarcasticpelicanlb2.gif at all kinds of relationships or whatever it is people nowadays do...

Always a friend, nothing else
aka (for you people who think I'm some post-25-1112138545.gif)
Always the bridesmaid, never the bride


Ookae... slightly off topic. Anyway, yeah I know people are gonna screw around, I just don't get with the whole, well, lot's of the whole sex stuff actually. Meh, I guess I'm an old fashioned teenager. Bollocks... raincloudyi7.gif
Haggisjin
EMO UltimateNagash is emoooooooooooo raincloudyi7.gif
Drewbie
QUOTE (UltimateNagash @ Mar 27 2008, 09:43 PM) *
Ookae... slightly off topic. Anyway, yeah I know people are gonna screw around, I just don't get with the whole, well, lot's of the whole sex stuff actually. Meh, I guess I'm an old fashioned teenager. Bollocks... raincloudyi7.gif

I think every guy feels like that until they get a girlfriend thumbsup1.gif
G.A.S.H.
QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Mar 27 2008, 08:54 PM) *
EMO UltimateNagash is emoooooooooooo raincloudyi7.gif

You should see me drunk
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Oh, wait. Crap... raincloudyi7.gif
QUOTE (Drewbie @ Mar 28 2008, 08:38 AM) *
QUOTE (UltimateNagash @ Mar 27 2008, 09:43 PM) *
Ookae... slightly off topic. Anyway, yeah I know people are gonna screw around, I just don't get with the whole, well, lot's of the whole sex stuff actually. Meh, I guess I'm an old fashioned teenager. Bollocks... raincloudyi7.gif

I think every guy feels like that until they get a girlfriend thumbsup1.gif

Did you actually understand what I said there? I don't myself... hmm, nope, not sure what I was saying. And I'm not saying the truth around here either - I'm not falling for that AGAIN
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Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Mar 22 2008, 04:01 PM) *
I just meant that teenagers, everywhere, will be having sex, or at least wishing like hell that they are. It's what they're meant to be doing. The difference between a pregnant teen with chlamydia and one just enjoying riding a pole is an education on how to avoid becoming pregnant and getting chlamydia.

QFT
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 28 2008, 01:31 PM) *
QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Mar 22 2008, 04:01 PM) *
I just meant that teenagers, everywhere, will be having sex, or at least wishing like hell that they are. It's what they're meant to be doing. The difference between a pregnant teen with chlamydia and one just enjoying riding a pole is an education on how to avoid becoming pregnant and getting chlamydia.

QFT

seriously, how do you go through your teenage years and not know this

I never had sex in highschool, but man I would have boned anything and not cared about the consequences.

And that's the mentality that we're working with here. "Hey kids, don't have sex." Come on.
G.A.S.H.
QUOTE (Lord Madhammer @ Mar 28 2008, 11:47 AM) *
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 28 2008, 01:31 PM) *
QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Mar 22 2008, 04:01 PM) *
I just meant that teenagers, everywhere, will be having sex, or at least wishing like hell that they are. It's what they're meant to be doing. The difference between a pregnant teen with chlamydia and one just enjoying riding a pole is an education on how to avoid becoming pregnant and getting chlamydia.

QFT

I never had sex in highschool, but man I would have boned anything and not cared about the consequences.

True with most guys really icon_wink.gif it's not like we can get pregnant tounge1.gif
OK, I wouldn't actually do that, knowing me I would get the baby all the time while she had a life...
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And that's the mentality that we're working with here. "Hey kids, don't have sex." Come on.

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That's the problem with the education of it... It's the "don't do it" people talking. I guess if that's an advantage to not being a looker, you can't be bothered with screwing around...
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Ha ha, I can be Mr. Emo now...

Back to the thing, yeah, I know school's and things have this "sex ed" stuff, but they never help or anything. I don't remember having one till I was sixteen TBH. Minimum
Yet, what, people are starting when they're 12/13? Hmm, yeah... maybe parents should accept they're gonna do it and just say to use protection if they're gonna do it...
And schools can't say that though - they'll get sued or something...
Lord Madhammer
My son just had a "Health" class... he's in fourth grade (or whatever that translates to over there, he's nine years old).
I.S.T.
Nine? jesus christ.
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